[Sun Apr 30 11:01:34 PDT 2006] ginat

Welcome to the Sunday chat! Today's topic is: What does it take to "be macrobiotic?"

[Sun Apr 30 11:02:11 PDT 2006] ginat

Many people understand that mbs is the best way to live, but they don't follow through with it. Why is that?

[Sun Apr 30 11:02:38 PDT 2006] ginat

What is required to truly embrace macrobiotics?

[Sun Apr 30 11:03:05 PDT 2006] Chas

Understanding, I suppose

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[Sun Apr 30 11:04:10 PDT 2006] ginat

Let's begin by making it personal. Can you tell us your experience, Chas, when you say "understanding." Do feel like you understand enough to embrace macrobiotics?

[Sun Apr 30 11:04:41 PDT 2006] Chas

No, I've tried to balance with vegies and grains but the balance is too narrow.

[Sun Apr 30 11:05:10 PDT 2006] Chas

I develop cravings for sweets.

[Sun Apr 30 11:05:20 PDT 2006] Gary

Just a quick comment

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[Sun Apr 30 11:05:59 PDT 2006] Chas

ok

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[Sun Apr 30 11:06:36 PDT 2006] ginat

So then, Chas, do you have a question?

[Sun Apr 30 11:07:51 PDT 2006] ginat

And I would ask yet another question--is understanding the key to a good practice for you? ...anyone?

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[Sun Apr 30 11:09:16 PDT 2006] Gp

Understanding is always a good key element but doesn't understanding come with experience???

[Sun Apr 30 11:09:32 PDT 2006] Chas(Q)

It seems the conventional diet of animal products and yin foods is easier to stay on

[Sun Apr 30 11:09:32 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Are you asking a question here?

[Sun Apr 30 11:10:09 PDT 2006] Chas

I curious why that seems to be the case for me.

[Sun Apr 30 11:10:10 PDT 2006] Gp

I was replying to your question

[Sun Apr 30 11:10:35 PDT 2006] Dizzy(Q)

I've read and have several books on MB but just don't quite understand how to start. It is too much to just dive in and do it all, I've tried that. How do you get started?

[Sun Apr 30 11:10:35 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

I agree that it's too hard to dive into deep waters. The most important foods to begin with are brown rice and miso soup. All the rest can, and should wait. If you start too fast, you'll finish quickly too

[Sun Apr 30 11:11:30 PDT 2006] ginat

GP and Chas--are you asking specific "how to" questions, or answering my philosophical pondering of whether knowledge is the key to mb practice?

[Sun Apr 30 11:12:11 PDT 2006] klara(Q)

I have two kinds of understandings. Intellectually I think I understand, but I don't feel my body actually does. Otherwise I don't think I would eat the way I do

[Sun Apr 30 11:12:11 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Very good. This means that you don't truly, or totally, understand. Why do you think this is?

[Sun Apr 30 11:12:42 PDT 2006] Chas

I've read some books and practiced but I failed to curb cravings

[Sun Apr 30 11:12:53 PDT 2006] Chas(Q)

I think I may not understand how yin-yang works with acid-alkaline

[Sun Apr 30 11:12:53 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

And why is that important to you? What will that knowledge bring you? What happens if you don't know that?

[Sun Apr 30 11:13:04 PDT 2006] Gp

ginat...I did ask a specific question which I submitted through the ask line to the moderator....I was commenting on your understanding question and put a couple of question marks on the end seeing if you would agree

[Sun Apr 30 11:13:34 PDT 2006] reelj

An effective way to begin the macrobiotic diet is to eliminate refined sugar and dairy right off the bat. yes, cravings will come as a result, but you will no longer be reaching for those foods to satisfy them.

[Sun Apr 30 11:14:22 PDT 2006] ginat

We can talk about all these practical issues, like cravings, beginning practice, etc.....but you're not answering my question. What is necessary in order to practice mbs? Hold on, GP....

[Sun Apr 30 11:14:46 PDT 2006] Dizzy(Q)

Understanding, Yes. But how do you get started?

[Sun Apr 30 11:14:46 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

How have you started so far?

[Sun Apr 30 11:14:46 PDT 2006] reelj

Support

[Sun Apr 30 11:15:04 PDT 2006] Gp

A desire to live more in tune with ones environment

[Sun Apr 30 11:15:18 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

sacrifice is probably very important to determine weather one can stick with macro

[Sun Apr 30 11:15:31 PDT 2006] klara(Q)

Scratch that. I meant the coordination between my head and my body. As I eat, I am not fully aware of what the consequences really will be.

[Sun Apr 30 11:15:31 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

But why is that? Reflect on this a moment......why aren't you in touch with yourself?

[Sun Apr 30 11:15:59 PDT 2006] ginat

Whoa, sacrifice! Comments out there?

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:07 PDT 2006] reelj

yes...

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:21 PDT 2006] reelj

sacrifice in the short run...

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:33 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

no in the long run too

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:42 PDT 2006] reelj

but closing one door opens many others

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:48 PDT 2006] Gp(Q)

I'm trying to get remotivated. I followed the macro cuisine pretty god for about a year and then due to some unfortunate events I got off track and seem to have real trouble getting going again...any suggestions?

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:48 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Let's get some general feedback. What is hindering you Gp?

[Sun Apr 30 11:16:53 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

thats true too

[Sun Apr 30 11:17:40 PDT 2006] Dizzy(Q)

I am also diabetic and wonder if the MB way of eating will have too many starchs for this problem?

[Sun Apr 30 11:17:40 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Let's put this on our "practical questions" list for later. Don't forget it, but hold on to it for the moment.

[Sun Apr 30 11:18:11 PDT 2006] Chas

If a practice is genuine then it should be easy to follow

[Sun Apr 30 11:18:11 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

do you think with others around you eating the same way it's easier to curb cravings and eat 'better'?

[Sun Apr 30 11:18:30 PDT 2006] ginat

What do you mean by a genuine practice?

[Sun Apr 30 11:18:42 PDT 2006] Chas

Valid biologically

[Sun Apr 30 11:18:45 PDT 2006] Gp

I wish I knew the answer. I felt so good eating correctly and chewing completely but I got off track and seem to have a hard time moving forward again. I might would be eaiser with support. Coming here is also a step towards motivatiing me.

[Sun Apr 30 11:19:49 PDT 2006] ginat

"Valid biologically." Raw foodists say that they are biologically valid. Are you satisfied with this level of judgment?

[Sun Apr 30 11:20:18 PDT 2006] Chas

A lot of groups make claims, I don't know who is right anymore

[Sun Apr 30 11:20:43 PDT 2006] reelj

Regarding the nature of "sacrifice," as a single parent, spending hours in the kitchen meant "sacrificing" hours I might have spent on other endeavors for the headaches, stomache aches, earaches and emotional swings my daughter would have otherwise experienced. So "sacrifice" is a bit of an illusio

[Sun Apr 30 11:20:50 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(Q)

It's not sacrifice if you know you are healing. It's not sacrifice to know the next day you won't feel lousy. I mentioned recently in my group that I prefer (usually) the delayed need gratification.

[Sun Apr 30 11:20:50 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Yes, but.....what about the day when you are so-called "healed." Is that the goal of mbs, making it worth the "struggle."

[Sun Apr 30 11:21:13 PDT 2006] Gp

isn't it more about what's right for you? (sorry the counselor in me makes me hand you back the question)

[Sun Apr 30 11:22:04 PDT 2006] klara(Q)

I don't see an immediate change, reaction, neither good nor bad. I do believe food takes a while to have effect, and I need to continue on blind faith, which takes well, faith, and sometimes it's just easier to eat what's handy.

[Sun Apr 30 11:22:04 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

So now we are getting a bit deeper. What is the role of faith, or belief, in adopting macrobiotics?

[Sun Apr 30 11:22:39 PDT 2006] reelj

I think the word is intuition, and it is there from the start

[Sun Apr 30 11:22:53 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

for people who are new to mb, it is a huge sacrifice that most dont seem willing to take

[Sun Apr 30 11:23:15 PDT 2006] ginat

I still come back to my original questions--what is the bottom line that determines whether or not we follow a mb lifestyle?

[Sun Apr 30 11:23:32 PDT 2006] Chas

Right, intuition or God's grace is the source of knowing what's right

[Sun Apr 30 11:23:46 PDT 2006] reelj

In Swedenborg's writing, "faith" is the internal acknowledgment of truth, not something you simply hope for... a recognition that something is right.

[Sun Apr 30 11:25:05 PDT 2006] ginat

Bravo! Bravo! Now tell me how Swendenborg applies to you personally!

[Sun Apr 30 11:25:09 PDT 2006] Gp

think of it more as re-education than sacrifice. Just like learning a new job or skill...you'd spend the time to learn these things because of the payoff..

[Sun Apr 30 11:25:17 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I think someone that can embrace the philosophy and incorporate it in their life would detirmine if they would follow the diet

[Sun Apr 30 11:25:27 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

I'm confused reelj are you saying spending time cooking will cause mood swings in your child? I am a single mom and my daughter LOVES being in the kitchen helping me cook, snacking on the seaweed, etc

[Sun Apr 30 11:26:18 PDT 2006] reelj

From my point of view, mb principles are eternal natural laws... patterns of behavior that govern life, and we are not able to live OUTSIDE those laws... we are not able to violate those laws. When we live contrary to them, those very laws violate US.

[Sun Apr 30 11:26:48 PDT 2006] reelj

Just the opposite. BECAUSE I cook, I eliminate the mood swings, the head aches, etc.

[Sun Apr 30 11:26:49 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

What does it take to embrace the philosophy and incorporate it into your life style? I continue to ask....

[Sun Apr 30 11:27:41 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Yes, mbs defines natural law, and everyone is subject to it. Yet we resist. WHY?

[Sun Apr 30 11:27:46 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

you would need to throw out your old way of life and have a new one

[Sun Apr 30 11:28:17 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Yes, snoopy. What does it take to throw out the old and make a change like this?

[Sun Apr 30 11:28:31 PDT 2006] reelj

What does it take to embrace it? Experience with it. One embraces things in time, through positive experience.

[Sun Apr 30 11:28:55 PDT 2006] Chas

We shouldn't resist something that is beneficial

[Sun Apr 30 11:29:17 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

it takes an inspiration of some sort, it could be going to a cooking class and tasting the food, hearing a lecture, or having a serious illness

[Sun Apr 30 11:29:29 PDT 2006] Gp

we resist because we have grown up knowing something different....those principles are ingrained in us and the natural laws are foreign to what we were taught...someone who grew up with MB as a value and principle would not resist

[Sun Apr 30 11:30:09 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Is this your personal experience? The way you say it, it sounds easy. Yet we do resist. WHY do you (I) personally resist? How do we maintain being inspired. Do you really think a born-mb person doesn't resist? Ho ho.

[Sun Apr 30 11:30:52 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

most people are not used to being sooo conscious about food and environment. They just eat and enjoy

[Sun Apr 30 11:30:55 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

ok what about family members who don't get it and don't understand that you will be upset if they give your child "just a tiny piece of chocolate" with dairy and sugar too when you're vegan?

[Sun Apr 30 11:31:33 PDT 2006] Gp

nothing easy about it at all. I'm not sure why'd you resist without knowing more about you. Let's say it would be easier for someone growing up in an MB environment to resist...but there are always forces pulling us one way or tyhe other

[Sun Apr 30 11:31:47 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

(Let's go back to the "ask" window please) Yes, many of us just eat and enjoy. What level of consiousness is this?

[Sun Apr 30 11:32:33 PDT 2006] Gp

unconsious consiousness

[Sun Apr 30 11:32:45 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

the ignorant level? which can be bliss it seems

[Sun Apr 30 11:32:50 PDT 2006] klara(Q)

We've talked about this before - it takes MAKING the decision - yet it seems to me it's a decision that I need to make again and again. Could it be then that I haven't truly made the decision???

[Sun Apr 30 11:32:50 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Hat's off, Klara. This is what I'm digging for here. It takes making (and remaking) a decision. What do you think about your question?

[Sun Apr 30 11:33:39 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Eat and enjoy is a sensorial level of living. How can we raise that level?

[Sun Apr 30 11:34:11 PDT 2006] reelj

You don't raise it; it is one of many levels you incorporate into your life

[Sun Apr 30 11:34:16 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I am not sure. People seem to be so comfortable in that place that they wouldnt want to leave it

[Sun Apr 30 11:35:44 PDT 2006] Gp

by making a consious effort to make the decision to eat well. Your question seems to say there can't be both healthy MB eating and sensorial pleasure....are you suggesting that it should be different?

[Sun Apr 30 11:35:44 PDT 2006] klara(Q)

Perhaps I've only made the decision for one meal, or one day, instead of making it for a longer time period

[Sun Apr 30 11:35:44 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Can you extend it for a day? People feel comfortable in an easy place until it's not easy any more, and they must change. But we can choose to raise our level to an intellectual, or maybe social, understanding, and then make a new decision.

[Sun Apr 30 11:36:40 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Healthy and sensorial are one and the same for me. I'm saying that only sensorial is not enough.

[Sun Apr 30 11:37:43 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Who here can say that s/he has made a decision to embrace a macrobiotic way of life?

[Sun Apr 30 11:37:53 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

People who eat regular food are not as sensorial about food so they cant appreciate the taste of natural foods

[Sun Apr 30 11:39:23 PDT 2006] Chas

I haven't embraced the full specturm of mbs just the healthful food part

[Sun Apr 30 11:39:37 PDT 2006] Gp

embracing the diet is one thing. I've embraced the diet and understand it's best for me..but still I struggle with it....there is lot's to MB besides diet though that I have not embraced

[Sun Apr 30 11:40:26 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Thank you for that answer, Chas. Are you fine with where you are right now, with just the food and not the ideas behind it? What is your struggle, Gp? Why do you hesitate?

[Sun Apr 30 11:40:35 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I feel that I live a macro life, partly because I live in a macro family, and also because I dont think much about being macro, I just am. I just eat like its normal

[Sun Apr 30 11:40:49 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

though that's what American diet especiallly in restaurants promote right?

[Sun Apr 30 11:41:15 PDT 2006] Gp

the struggle is just getting started and sticking with it again.

[Sun Apr 30 11:41:25 PDT 2006] Chas

I haven't had full success with the food part yet. When or if I do then I'll progress to the next step because it's been validated to me through the food

[Sun Apr 30 11:41:32 PDT 2006] Gp

this is helping!

[Sun Apr 30 11:42:12 PDT 2006] Gp

that was my point with my statement earlier snoopy

[Sun Apr 30 11:42:31 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(Q)

I'm not sure at what level. I feel I have made an attempt to embrace macrobiotics. I soak my grains and beans, eat my seaweeds, I try to alternate foods, get fresh air, enjoy my healthy food, sit with a happy environment and eating peacefully with my daughter. I lovingly cut my veggies, and make my meals. But then eat pretzels or somethign so am I missing something? am I not mb?

[Sun Apr 30 11:42:31 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Beautiful description--thank you so much. Whether or not you "are" macro is another, big question that we'll postpone for the moment. What are you missing? --both understanding and application. We need both. That's the answer.

[Sun Apr 30 11:43:21 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

What is the struggle, Gp?

[Sun Apr 30 11:43:52 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I think you need to get to a point where you dont have to make a decision about being macro, you just are. Just like how people eat regular food like burgers, they just eat it, no thinking

[Sun Apr 30 11:44:11 PDT 2006] Gp

the struggle is making the decision and comittment to make it a part of life rather than part time

[Sun Apr 30 11:45:04 PDT 2006] Gp

(and to think I was just going to watch and learn)

[Sun Apr 30 11:45:31 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(Q)

so what understanding and application?

[Sun Apr 30 11:45:31 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

The understanding is learning the natural order. The application is making a decision that this is how I want to live. Then we create support, we create habits, we create what we want...if we've really decided that we want it.

[Sun Apr 30 11:46:11 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(Q)

except we don't have mb fast food drivethrus

[Sun Apr 30 11:46:11 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

Thank the Lord! The bigger the front, the bigger the back.

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[Sun Apr 30 11:47:10 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

So again, let's reflect together--what does it take to stay consistent with mbs?

[Sun Apr 30 11:47:33 PDT 2006] ginat

Hing--the answer is hidden in the question

[Sun Apr 30 11:47:34 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

that would be a good idea, you could just drive through and get a rice ball

[Sun Apr 30 11:47:44 PDT 2006] Gp

continuos, conscious decision to do it

[Sun Apr 30 11:47:49 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

if it were healthy mb food I couldn't imagine getting bigger

[Sun Apr 30 11:48:16 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Gp, tell us more. How do we do this?

[Sun Apr 30 11:48:37 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

we need constant inspiration too

[Sun Apr 30 11:49:19 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

I'm fishing for a specific activity that let's us be inspired. It's not outside outselves...

[Sun Apr 30 11:49:24 PDT 2006] Gp

Our desire takes us to those places where we create habits and create what we want

[Sun Apr 30 11:49:36 PDT 2006] Dizzy(C)

How do you create the support when your spouse and all your friends aren't MB?

[Sun Apr 30 11:49:53 PDT 2006] ginat

Nice, Gp. Is this your experiene?

[Sun Apr 30 11:50:13 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I would like to know that too

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[Sun Apr 30 11:50:31 PDT 2006] Gp

I have experienced that but not with MB however.

[Sun Apr 30 11:51:05 PDT 2006] Gp

I know there are a couple groups locally that would be good to get involved in for that support

[Sun Apr 30 11:51:43 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

So, Gp, you haven't quite made a decision yet, as I understand. Out side support is nice and fine, but it takes something else. What is that?

[Sun Apr 30 11:52:07 PDT 2006] ginat

Klara has already told us.

[Sun Apr 30 11:52:44 PDT 2006] Gp

the more committed embracement?

[Sun Apr 30 11:53:24 PDT 2006] chick

Make the decision to be mb one day at a time.

[Sun Apr 30 11:53:42 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Yes, commitment, in the form of a decision, and, the biggest tool--self-reflection. This is the way to stay committed, to stay inspired, to keep the decision alive.

[Sun Apr 30 11:53:45 PDT 2006] Gp

the baby steps approach?

[Sun Apr 30 11:54:00 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

until you just are macro, and you dont have to decide anymore

[Sun Apr 30 11:54:10 PDT 2006] klara(C)

aha, to be consistent means to create the habit - which also means having it always first on my mind, before other automatic things that I do

[Sun Apr 30 11:54:30 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Maybe in a way we constantly are deciding.

[Sun Apr 30 11:54:32 PDT 2006] Gp

that's where I struggle right now klara

[Sun Apr 30 11:54:44 PDT 2006] Gp

very true ginat

[Sun Apr 30 11:55:15 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

how about having only macro ingredients and foods in the home?

[Sun Apr 30 11:56:10 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

It's natural for all cycles to ebb and wane...to go up and down. Is there a bottom line you will not cross? Maybe this is one--only macro ingredients. Yet that's somewhat of a crutch....

[Sun Apr 30 11:56:11 PDT 2006] Gp

When I first did MB diet it was easy to remain concious about chewing, food etc....now when I try I forget...e.g. just remembering to chew...I start out well...but before I know it my mind has gone somewhere else

[Sun Apr 30 11:56:26 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(Q)

and having stuff prepared so when you get starving all of a sudden you don't just inhale some junk

[Sun Apr 30 11:56:26 PDT 2006] ginat(A)

very good..

[Sun Apr 30 11:57:56 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

there seems to be a problem with having too much rules to follow and becomming overwhelmed

[Sun Apr 30 11:58:28 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Food is so primal, that we have to create our food habits on the deepest level, truly reflecting on the source of our resistence.

[Sun Apr 30 11:58:30 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

being too rigid having to follow exactly what the book says

[Sun Apr 30 11:59:23 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

These are very important issues here, about rules and rigidity. Such a practice is doomed to fail. Nothing is more important to a human than freedom, and that actually is the ultimate goal of macrobiotics.

[Sun Apr 30 12:00:46 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

but it seems to be a hinderance for many, the rigidity

[Sun Apr 30 12:00:59 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Perhaps we should finish today by sharing some reflections about how any of us have seen / understood / experienced freedom through a macrobiotic way of life.

[Sun Apr 30 12:01:12 PDT 2006] Gp

I didn't find it all that strict really...unless you look at a healing diet which can be rigid

[Sun Apr 30 12:01:19 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

I try to remember to always have cooked rice on hand

[Sun Apr 30 12:01:27 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

right when people say to me "you're not allowed to eat that" I say I'm allowed to eat anything, I choose to not eat...........

[Sun Apr 30 12:01:46 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

exactly

[Sun Apr 30 12:01:48 PDT 2006] Gp

yes it's all about choices

[Sun Apr 30 12:02:02 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

One sees a healing diet as rigid, another as precise and a gift....choices, indeed

[Sun Apr 30 12:02:10 PDT 2006] Gp

yep

[Sun Apr 30 12:02:30 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Where is the freedom in macrobiotics?

[Sun Apr 30 12:02:46 PDT 2006] Chas

Freedom from sickness

[Sun Apr 30 12:03:11 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Freedom to choose sickness. Freedom to heal sickness.

[Sun Apr 30 12:03:16 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

I see that in macrobiotics, I am free to move in any direction, towards health, sickness, towards yin or yang, its about playing with life

[Sun Apr 30 12:03:22 PDT 2006] Gp

MB people still get sick....they just recover better and faster so I hear

[Sun Apr 30 12:04:05 PDT 2006] Gp

so the freedom is in the choices?

[Sun Apr 30 12:04:20 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Choices, again. Mbs is the rule book for life. Do you agree? We do what we like with it. That's the freedom.

[Sun Apr 30 12:04:48 PDT 2006] Chas

That's a neat definition

[Sun Apr 30 12:05:02 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

yet many macros dont practice like they are free

[Sun Apr 30 12:06:30 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

Friends, we are powerful creators, physicalized images of all Creation. What joy! Many "macrobiotic" friends sometimes forget this, and get stuck in food issues. Let's clarify our goals, uncover our resistence, and make active choices on-going. Everything is a game. We all have a good time.

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[Sun Apr 30 12:06:38 PDT 2006] Gp

thanks to all of you today for allowing me to chat with you and for the inspiration I've recieved here

[Sun Apr 30 12:07:38 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

now you can go and choose the direction you want

[Sun Apr 30 12:07:45 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

It's a love fest! That is the true reality. See you all next Sunday on line, and in one month for my next time to moderate. Keep chewing--your grains and your experiences!

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[Sun Apr 30 12:07:58 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

I think it's all around

[Sun Apr 30 12:08:03 PDT 2006] veganmacrochick(C)

you mean if we're mb we get sick too? ::wink

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[Sun Apr 30 12:08:14 PDT 2006] klara(C)

freedom - that I choose my life as I decide

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[Sun Apr 30 12:08:50 PDT 2006] ginat(P)

A big om-shalom for all of us! Happy trails!

[Sun Apr 30 12:09:00 PDT 2006] snoopybd7

thank you

[Sun Apr 30 12:09:02 PDT 2006] Gary

Thanks, Ginat

[Sun Apr 30 12:09:21 PDT 2006] ginat

Thank you so much, Gary!

[Sun Apr 30 12:10:43 PDT 2006] Gp

when is the next chat?

[Sun Apr 30 12:11:17 PDT 2006] Gary

the last sunday in may for Ginat, but every Sunday for a general chat.

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