A ghost story.

[Bruce Paine]

Jeanette,

I hear/read you telling us about the evidence that you interpret as being a ghost.

Do you have any direct experiencelike seeing a ghostly apparition?

Also, what part of the country are you located in and is it rural, suburb, or urban?

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

[kmacro]

My Mom keeps an old fixer-uper kind of house that's been in her family
for 100 years. She gets nervous when she goes to visit there by herself.
The house is really big and the feeling in the air is definitely noticable.

She went there a couple of years ago by herself and decided she needed
to go to the store before it got dark. She wanted to make sure she had
her flashlight ready for when she got back. So she opened a new package
of batteries and put them in the flashlight and stood it upright on the
nightstand beside the bed. She carefully locked all the windows and doors in the house before she left so she wouldn't have to worry about an intruder being in the house when she got back. She came back from the store just before dark, unlocked the door and went about her business. Then, as she walked into her room to go to bed she saw that the flashlight was still
upright on the night stand, but the batteries were NOT inside the flashlight anymore. They were neatly lined up on the nightstand!!!!! Mom says she
still stayed the night there, but I never would have.

More than 20 years ago, it was the day after my elderly father's death, and I was sitting alone at the kitchen table, having a cup of tea. At the moment that I saw what I did, I was not feeling particularly distressed or anything; if anything, I actually felt quite neutral or peaceful. I do not take drugs or alcohol.

I saw a coiled, spiral-shaped whiteish, transparent "thing" that seemed to emanate from the area of the stove. It moved upward quickly and disappeared. I never said anything about this to anyone, and, oddly, I didn't feel frightened or curious. No, the stove was not on, and nothing was burning.

Years later, my mother, out of nowhere (not like I brought the topic up - I did not), mentioned to me that she saw the same thing, at the same time. While she was not in the kitchen with me, she was lying on the sofa in the living room. (There is a narrow doorway between the kitchen and the living room and the way she positioned on the sofa, she could have seen the stove, but not me at the table. ) So - we both saw the same thing, but neither of us spoke of this till a few years had passed.

I hope this is of interest.

Where we live now, I heard heavy footsteps behind me, when I was the only one there. I turned around, and nobody or anything was there. I did not feel frightened, for some reason.

What are demons? According to the Bible, demons are fallen angels. Lucifer (a.k.a. Morningstar), was the most beautiful Archangel (or chief of the angels) God created. Lucifer became prideful and decided HE should be worshipped, so he got his butt (that's a figurative of speech, I don't believe angels have derrieres) cast out of heaven along with a third of the angels (now called demons) who also rebelled. Lucifer's named was changed to Satan.

I grew up believing that the Bible is the Truth, yet I always assumed that angels and demons weren't real -- you know, that they were just figurative language. However, that all changed when I attended a Christian retreat as a senior in high school.

The abbreviated version of my story is this: about 20 of us campers were sitting around in a circle in the middle of a large lodge one night talking about the occult when we all felt the presence of something VERY evil suddenly enter the room. The presence was overwhelmingly evil (I lack the words to describe just how saturated the vile feeling of was). No one could see it (as far as I know), but judging by the expressions on everyone's face, we all knew everyone felt it. We didn't NEED to say anything. Our two counselors instructed us to start praying -- they recognized our group was under spiritual attack.

I remember two of the freshman (one of them a boy) crying because they were so scared. Now did I actually see anything? No. But there was such a vividly pure evil feel about the presence, that it might as well have been physically tangible.

What changed my faith from believing God is real to KNOWING He is, was something physical (and spiritual) that happened that night. I desperately prayed, "God, please make this go away." Immediately, I felt the physical manifestation of a cool soothing breath in my face accompanied with an incredible peace that I can't possibly even begin to describe. After receiving relief, I felt "the bad feeling" crawling up on me again so again I asked God to make it go away. Once more I felt the soothing breeze in my face and the undescrible sense of peace wash over me. (Years later I told my pastor about this experience. He smiled and told me that the name "Holy Spirit" literally translates from Hebrew and Greek as "breath" and "wind.")

I'd like to briefly touch on something someone said here in this thread. It's biblical (and I believe it as well -- sorry John Edward) that there are no ghosts, but rather demons. Demons can impersonate the deceased. It may seem all fun and games, but God forbids this. Besides being dangerous, it can misplace your focus. Why turn to God for comfort during your grief if you can receive consolation from “those who have crossed over”?

About the church and the spirit world. I belong to a “regular” conservative Baptist congregation, yet I have participated in a few “deliverance sessions” where with the pastor, we pray over a person who was suffering from spiritual oppression. In our church, these prayer sessions are on the down-low since it would probably freak out many fellow believers in our congregation seeing or even knowing what we see. Such things as super-human strength, a growling voice coming out of a person speaking Latin (note, this person didn’t even know Latin!), cloudy eyes wolf-like eyes (YES, like in the horror films), vomiting up the “invisible venom”…anyways.

And about actually seeing spirits. Well, biblically, every believer has at least one spiritual gift. Many have the gift of discerning of spirits. My husband and I both have that. (And it truly is a spiritual gift for me because I completely lack the natural “knack” of knowing when someone has a hidden agenda. My husband says it’s because I’m too trusting.) Well, I’m just going to throw this out there…I can see demons in a persons eyes if they (the evil spirits) get agitated; whereas, a very good friend of ours whom also has the gift of discerning of spirits actually sees demons and angels. Literally. (This has been confirmed by a couple of very trustworthy people.) And no “John” has never done drugs, or suffered a concussion or from mental illness. He says the demons appear blacker than black, like a void of nothingness. They “zip” (spirit speed “John” calls it) and have piercing eyes. When the spirit sees that “John” sees it, it flees.

The angels he has seen are about 10’ tall and radiant a whiter than white glow. “John” says that he typically sees Christians with a bluish glow around their head. But sometimes he’ll see a twisting gray cloudy form over someone’s head which he sees as a demon of confusion. Back in high school (yes, he was popular and into sports), “John” would see “demons with their legs wrapped around a person’s neck and their fingers stuck in the person’s skull.” Another time at school he witnessed a demon fly up to a guy and whisper something in his ear and then zip off. Within a few seconds, the boy passed some other kid and knocked the books out of his arms. Seeing all of this was really difficult for “John”, but he had a strong Christian friend base at church. “John” thinks God has a sense of humor too because almost a year to the day “John” challenged God with “if you’re real God, show me!” he started seeing the spirits.

Wow this is long. (Hmm, I doubt if anyone even reads this post!) I know none of you know me from Adam (or from Eve would be more appropriate), but as a Christian, I promise you that everything I have written about here is true. (Hmm, why would you trust a stranger right?) But please trust me when I say that God is very real, the spirit world is very real, and Jesus truly is God’s son and our Savior. Ask Him to reveal himself to you, and He will.

God’s blessings to you,

Jennifer

[Manymoons]

Jennifer

I did indeed read your post and with great interest.
Personally I do not accept anything as being supernatural. Existence exists and only existence exists. A body without a spirit is a corpse and a spirit without a body is a ghost. Both are symbols of death.
I can not verify what you see or not see. Things do exist that are not solidly part of this life. What you see may be entities that have totally lost the integration of yin/yang. These would certainly be willing to latch onto (perhaps out of envy) those that are in this life, which is an existence of body(yang) and spirit(yin)-integrated together. I wish there were other terms to use than yin/yang, because of the mystical identity they have acquired. Perhaps as quantum and zero vector physics develope, a more rational and less mysterious sounding term will evolve.

God as a separate being, above existence itself is supernatural and therefore irrelevant. The concept that Christians refer to as God is ego projection-a way to explain apparently mysterious phenomena. Yin/yang bifurcating in a single point to become one (like zero vector physics) also explains these phenonena, but remains accessible and not separate and exclusive. I eat this food to help maintain a balance of yin/yang integration to substantiate and fortify my own existence. I think this is the most moral thing I can do. Putting it in Christian terms--good stewardship. To defer this responsiblity to a supernatural being seems unspiritual and irresponsible.
Messing around with the occult is to be avoided. We concur on this, I think. The occult is an attempt to find a short cut to the responsiblity of being an alive human being. There are no short-cuts! I think most of the classic traditional religions have lost their core and have devolved into cults---occult like----looking for the short cut.

You have implicitly invited this response by your post--as do I

Respectfully

Manymoons

Originally Posted by Manymoons

God as a separate being, above existence itself is supernatural and therefore irrelevant. The concept that Christians refer to as God is ego projection-a way to explain apparently mysterious phenomena. Yin/yang bifurcating in a single point to become one (like zero vector physics) also explains these phenonena, but remains accessible and not separate and exclusive.

You seem to know it all, and responded to Jennifer by pontificating broad statements about the nature of existence as though you created the world and understand all things. That is more ego projection than I have seen or heard in a long time.

It is fine to -share- your own philosophy. But, please don't make these blanket statements as though this is the way it is. I don't think you share Jennifer's experience or knowledge. I don't think you know it all.

[Manymoons]

Dear unregistered

You are correct. I do not Know everything. I put myself out there at the deliberate risk of looking like a fool, or whatever, in the spirit of wanting to know. Nothing ventured-nothing gained.

The blanket statements I make are "the way I have come to see things". Is my yin/yang not correct?

It surely comes as no surprise that I have been awarded no Noble Prize for communication or literature. There is always hope however! Meanwhile I search, however ineptly. to grow and learn and share to the best this fallible human being is capable. I consider your comments of value and honor the fact that you took the time to respond to my post.

A yin/yang tenant states, "the bigger the front the bigger the back". There are great differences of perspective between myself and Jennifer, and you as well ,I assume. This puts us in the very dangerous position of potentially becoming friends---if we are not careful.

Manymoons

[veebee]

I agree with Bruce....The bible/church, wants you to be fearful of these things.I was brought up, full on, born again christian and they love a bit of the 'ol casting out of demons etc.Fear is the root of all problems, if you dig deep.Mostly we all have a fear of dying , you need to ask yourself why, what are you scared of?? I find reincarnation comforting , to believe your soul carries on and only changes its vehicle in which to drive through life... thats why i believe ghosts are just a strong energy that have been left on Earth, may be the person died suddenly and still had that attachment on our earthly plain, therefore it's like the tape machine keeps re-running and it's that outline of that energy that people see or feel, the tape re-runs itself, you see or feel the same thing.... hope that kinda makes sense....they are'nt real, just an impression. We should'nt fear anything, we are all connected and all parts of Divinity expressing itself ! Veebee.

[MeditationMom]

Hi Everybody! I recently posted "my ghost story" on my blog - here is the link.

I studied with Mishio Kushi in the eighties and he used to tell us if and when we had ghosts near us - over our right or left shoulder. It was hard to tell what to make of it, but this story of a woman who came to me for counseling about her ghosts will give you some insight.

[azulparsnip]

good story MedMom....I'll be visiting your blog often