Woodstock and Dead Sea Scroll Connections

[dan6989]

I have discovered dates, names & events that link the original Woodstock festival of 1969 with at least one of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Woodstock was originally to be held at Wallkill, NY on 8/15, 16 & 17/69, but the people there protested. So, Woodstock ended up being held in Bethel, NY on 8/15, 16 & 17/69. I Kings ch 12 in the Bible tells about another sinful festival held in Bethel on 8/15. Proof of this and other connections can be found at my site. Woodstock and Dead Sea Scroll Connections I make no money from my site. I do not believe in making money from this subject matter.

[Bruce Paine]

Dan,

I took a look at one of those sheets and saw all the so called truths that you base your beliefs are on coincidental information.

I don't see how that relates to macrobiotics.

Unless you can draw a direct correlation between your beliefs and the yin/yang philosphy of macrobiotics, then maybe you shouldn't be posting that kind of material here.

By the way, money is not the only benefit that so-called believers try to get from others.

Many consider the control of other's minds and souls to be a considerable greater benefit than material (money).

Take a look of any cult and one can see how that works.

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

[Roy Collins]

I am particulaly interested in the works of Barbara Thiering on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Thiering believes that early Christianity developed out of the Qumran community. She identifies the Teacher of Righteousness with John the Baptist and the Wicked Priest (or the Man of the Lie) with Jesus. These two figures led two factions of the community. The faction led by Jesus/the Wicked Priest produced the Gospels.

Jesus is said to have once been part of the Qumran community
which has a connection to the Essenes who practiced dietary principles similar to macobioitcs and who were in self-reflection and ritual cleanings. Maybe you can enlighten us a bit more
on this topic. Please continue to post your findings here.

In peace, Roy

[dan6989]

Originally posted by Roy Collins
I am particulaly interested in the works of Barbara Thiering on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Thiering believes that early Christianity developed out of the Qumran community. She identifies the Teacher of Righteousness with John the Baptist and the Wicked Priest (or the Man of the Lie) with Jesus. These two figures led two factions of the community. The faction led by Jesus/the Wicked Priest produced the Gospels.

Jesus is said to have once been part of the Qumran community
which has a connection to the Essenes who practiced dietary principles similar to macobioitcs and who were in self-reflection and ritual cleanings. Maybe you can enlighten us a bit more
on this topic. Please continue to post your findings here.

In peace, Roy

I have heard of Barbara Thiering and I have read a few of her deductions. Do you yourself believe that Jesus was a wicked priest? The problem with determining exactly who stood for what, and for whatever reasons, 2000 years ago, is that are there are so many authors of so many writings. Personal, political and ethical reasons have twisted truthes for a long time. Barbara Thiering is simply adding her view to the mix, however noble her intentions MIGHT be. It is much harder to twist more recent history. To me the connections, are an indicators of which of the ancient writings were written with noble, honest intent, and which writings or portions of writings are corrupt.

Another thing I would like to add, is that I have no special diet and I don't take illegal drugs. I eat meat, and I am thankful to God for it. One night in 1985, before I feel asleep, I prayed that God would let me friends with him. I didn't let myself feel anything but peaceful, calm feelings. That night I believe I had a prophetic dream. A voice was telling some things and withholding others(or maybe it was that I didn't understand). I saw a three lane, one way highway. All the cars on it are the people of the Earth headed for doom, at the end of the road. God would intervene, with a rain of truth. I would be one of many who will help spread a rain of truth. There will be some who pull over to the side, early on. Others will persist on farther. For them the rain will become more intense. Some keep going, turning on their head lights, but inevitably they will have no choice but to stop. Also in the dream I saw planes crash into two tall buildings. I then saw many people with bags under their eyes, virtually the whole world was crying and had lost sleep. Before I awoke, I saw the face of an impressive figure. He was light complexioned, with blond hair. Between the awake and asleep state, I felt a strong breeze. I had a similar dream in the spring of 2001. I wasn't sure if it was only a dream or not. On 9/11, I wished that it was a dream. I don't feel that I am the only one with such dreams. In a society that shuns at things that can't yet be explained, I wouldn't doubt that thousands have had the dreams, but have been afraid to come forward. I predict that in the not too distant future, there will be news reports on how many people are coming forward to reveal that they dreamed about 9/11 and other things.

[Roy Collins]

Interesting dream! I think that dreams reflect our innermost
desires as well as fears. We dream what we are and want
or want to overcome.

It doesn't matter to me what people eat at all, only the
quality of their hearts. My best friends eat garbage and
have numerous issues in their lives that I sometimes envy.
Most people are too hung on food
and it gets in the way of other things that are just as important,
like love, creativity, social interaction, etc. People hung
up on food is like a bad dream! They are often closed to their community and society. They are frequently lonely and fanatical.
If you are healthy you eat whatever you want. If you are sick it is a different story. Then you have to make balance. Balance
is what it is all about. Each one of us knows intuitively what are needs are.

I have no true belief as to if Jesus was a wicked priest or
a righteous priest. I like the guy no matter what because
of his spirit and ideals. I think what Thiering was refering
to with that quote was the viewpoint of one of the Essene
groups that made a prediction that Jesus shouldn't have
left their order to preach on the outside as it would certainly
not be understood and would cost him his life.

I am a Taoist and do not believe in the concept of deity. I hope
that that is ok with you, as your belief in God is fine with me. Keep studying, dreaming...

I wish I had more time to post. I'll check in at a later time.

In peace, Roy

[Kathryn]

I have also developed a recent interest in Thiering's work. I am reading my first Thiering book- Jesus of the Apocalypse.

I would be interested in sharing views Roy.

In response also to Dan's later posting- Do you really believe Jesus was a wicked Preist? What Thiering is saying is not that Jesus, in her opinion, was a wicked preist but that opposing groups of the time believed him to be so. This sounds feasible. From her work, I have come to understand that at the time politics and religion were not separate entities and it is highly likely that opposing parties would try to discredit Jesus- he had many rivals.

Originally Posted by Roy Collins

I am particulaly interested in the works of Barbara Thiering on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Thiering believes that early Christianity developed out of the Qumran community. She identifies the Teacher of Righteousness with John the Baptist and the Wicked Priest (or the Man of the Lie) with Jesus. These two figures led two factions of the community. The faction led by Jesus/the Wicked Priest produced the Gospels.

Jesus is said to have once been part of the Qumran community
which has a connection to the Essenes who practiced dietary principles similar to macobioitcs and who were in self-reflection and ritual cleanings. Maybe you can enlighten us a bit more
on this topic. Please continue to post your findings here.

In peace, Roy

[dan6989]

For those too lazy and/or skeptical, here are some key scan from books at my site:
www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/files/20b.JPG
www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/files/21b.JPG
www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/files/10b.JPG
www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/files/15b.JPG
www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/files/16b.JPG

[Bruce Paine]

Dan,

Maybe Roy doesn't think that the kind of food that we eat affects how we think, feel, or believe but I do.

I see more long time meat eaters that have strong beliefs regarding this life, an afterlife, a judgemental higher power, and specially endowed spiritual leaders, than I do amongst the long time macros.

I see that you are injecting your belief in this "Woodstock and Dead Sea Scroll Connections" http://www.woodstockanddeadseascrolls.net/ all over the Internet http://www.google.com/search?q=Woods...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8.

Here is a quote from another one of your detractors:

"Just to add some spice, one thing that was proven to be a fake is the shroud of turin. (previously suspected because the image had chemical traces of dye-producing plants, and because the picture was inconsistent with other evidence (if you want me to find evidence to cite, i can, but i won't bother unless someone asks)), but it was carbon dated recently and found to be rather young.

And interestingly, amazon rainfall coupled with Yankees baseball statistics made a 98% accurate prediction of stock market behavior over the last 12 years (it mighta been 10 or 15, possibly 5) as of last year - what does this amazing thing tell us? it tells us Statistics!! Given the amount of information floating around, even in a field as restricted as religious texts, its quite easy to find connections any way you want, especially with slight manipulation. And if you consider that there are only 366 possible dates in a year, you don't need a lot of data to cover that many times over." http://pub70.ezboard.com/fthelonecon...picID=73.topic

or another:

"I Have Some Swamp Land To Sell You" http://www.astronomy.net/forums/god/...shtml?show=top

and what about that link to "confirmation bias"?: http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html


Do you really believe what you said back in August 2002; * "If the leaders and people of countries like Iraq, can not be reasoned with, they should be taken out, by any means necessary."?

What about diplomacy?

It looks like the President has finally figured out that that was missing in his foreign policy.

It's considerate of you to support some government but what do you think has taken place during the current administration, expansion or contraction of government?

And what do you think:

"Will America be remembered as the architect of the world's first global democracy or as a power-hungry rogue nation that precipitates a tragedy of epic proportions?" http://www.wie.org/j24/garrison.asp

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

[annemj]

Originally Posted by Bruce Paine

Maybe Roy doesn't think that the kind of food that we eat affects how we think, feel, or believe but I do.

I see more long time meat eaters that have strong beliefs regarding this life, an afterlife, a judgemental higher power, and specially endowed spiritual leaders, than I do amongst the long time macros.

Bruce: I know this contradicts the macro philosophy, but have you considered that perhaps a that a person's personality is what attracts his or her to macrobiotics, rather than macrobiotics causing a person to a certain personality?

[Bruce Paine]

So what you are saying is that consciousness precedes biology, annemj?

You might want to eat something and then think about that again.

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

[annemj]

Originally Posted by Bruce Paine

So what you are saying is that consciousness precedes biology, annemj?

You might want to eat something and then think about that again.

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

No. What I am saying is that perhaps food does not have such an extreme causal effect on one's political or religious views. Rather, one's political or religious views might have a causal effect on what one decides to eat.

In the West, your statement is correct (with exceptions such as Seventh Day Adventists) that "I see more long time meat eaters that have strong beliefs regarding this life, an afterlife, a judgemental higher power, and specially endowed spiritual leaders, than I do amongst the long time macros," may be correct, but I dare say such is not the case in India among Hindus.

[Bruce Paine]

Well, Annemj, since like a compass there are many directions one can go, for the same token, one have food effect how they think, feel, or believe; or have how they think feel or believe affect their choices of food, and maybe a bit of both or in a cycle of one causing the other, causing the one causing the other, and so on.

Which do you think comes first: thoughts or feelings?

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

[annemj]

Originally Posted by Bruce Paine

Well, Annemj, since like a compass there are many directions one can go, for the same token, one have food effect how they think, feel, or believe; or have how they think feel or believe affect their choices of food, and maybe a bit of both or in a cycle of one causing the other, causing the one causing the other, and so on.

Which do you think comes first: thoughts or feelings?

Thank you, very much.

Bruce Paine

Hard to say what comes first or that the two can be disconnected. To have a feeling, there has to be some brain processing of a stimulus. For example, the "feeling" of hunger is prompted by physical reactions, those reactions causing a CNS response that sends messages to the brain, and then the brain tells you to "feel." So from a purely scientific sense and "thought" in the strictest sense -- a brain processing of data -- thought probably comes first. If you are talking about concious thought versus feeling, feeling probably comes first. Using the prior example, an infant does not have to consciously realize it is hungry. Rather, it may just feel discomfort and have a purely emotional reaction to that hunger such as crying without being cognizant of why it is uncomfortable.

It is without a doubt that food can impact our immediate behavior. People get cranky when hungry. People with hypoglycemia are notoriously more hostile and impatient when their blood sugar drops. I just think that to say that meat-eaters are more likely to be warmongers or religious fanatics may be a bit extreme, since in reality, it is more likely that certain types of people opt for certain lifestyles and eating habits.