Energy = Soul + ?

[Roy Collins]

Someone wrote:

>"Soul is eternal, IT cannot be destroyed" <

RC: If you equate soul to energy (both invisible and
both animating) then I would say that I agree with
this. Energy cannot be destroyed, it simply takes
a different form. This idea is a shared belief by
most physicists.

energy
mind
heart
order of the universe
infinite expanse
soul
spirit
God
justice
consiousness
Tai Chi
Wu Chi
prana
Kundalini
oneness

None of these can be held in your hand, but your
hand and all of your body is a part of these....

In peace, Roy

[soultraveler01]

[quote]Originally posted by Roy
[b]Someone wrote:

>"Soul is eternal, IT cannot be destroyed" <

>RC: If you equate soul to energy (both invisible and
>both animating) then I would say that I agree with
>his. Energy cannot be destroyed, it simply takes
>a different form.

Exactly. So we don't die because "We" are not these bodies that get old and die. We are Soul.

>This idea is a shared belief by
>most physicists.

[Bruce Paine]

soultraveler01,

Do you know this to be true (can you recount your past life experiences) or do you take it to be a fact based on your faith?

Also, with the name "soultraveler01" does that me that you are into "ECK"
( http://www.eckankar.org/ )?

It amazes me how much attachment people have to the past and their future and so little to the present.

Is past and future compared to the present, yin or yang?

Thank you, very much.

With warm regards, love, and peace,

Bruce Paine

[Roy Collins]

soultraveler wrote:

>Exactly. So we don't die because "We" are not these bodies that get old and die. We are Soul. <

RC: I would agree with this as well (as long as we continue to
equate soul with energy). When the body ages (or diseases) to a state where it can no longer activate and heart, brain and other organs and systems shut down we call this point "death"
("lacking vitality"). Ch'i, energy, soul, etc. then transforms to something else. Gross body parts then decay (into soil) and transform into something else -- that is, its chemical components are utilized by other living organisms. The offspring of the deceased (childen) carry the parents DNA energy imprint within them, along with images the parent witnessed through his/her life on the planet (whether the child realizes this or not). Hence,
the legacy of energy/soul does not die but is continuously transformed.

In and of itself this realm of thinking is uniform in its logic and rationale. But then there emerges the more metaphysical idea of anthropomorphism, that is, when energy/soul is viewed as having the ability to "think, reason, visualize, and communicate" It is at this station where half of the world's population gets off,
mostly the scientists and philosophers, but it also here, at this junction where the theologists and occultists get on. Each camp can argue their case until they are blue in the face, but ultimately it doesn't matter -- for with them or without them balance will continue in the universe. At this station there is no shoving, not who is right and who is wrong. Only differences in opinions which must be respected. To attempt to change someones belief system is tantamount to forcing them to eat foods outside of their environment in a season foreign to them.

In peace, Roy

[soultraveler01]

[quote]Originally posted by Roy
[b]soultraveler wrote:

>Exactly. So we don't die because "We" are not these bodies that get old and die. We are Soul. <

RC: I would agree with this as well (as long as we continue to
equate soul with energy).

Hence,
the legacy of energy/soul does not die but is continuously transformed.

*Agreed!

In and of itself this realm of thinking is uniform in its logic and rationale. But then there emerges the more metaphysical idea of anthropomorphism, that is, when energy/soul is viewed as having the ability to "think, reason, visualize, and communicate" It is at this station where half of the world's population gets off,
mostly the scientists and philosophers, but it also here, at this junction where the theologists and occultists get on. Each camp can argue their case until they are blue in the face, but ultimately it doesn't matter -- for with them or without them balance will continue in the universe.

*Herman Aihara discusses touches on his views on Reincarnation *in Kaleidoscope and Learning from Salmon and its a view I'd *agreed with.

At this station there is no shoving, not who is right and who is wrong. Only differences in opinions which must be respected. To attempt to change someones belief system is tantamount to forcing them to eat foods outside of their environment in a season foreign to them.

*Agreed. I think its okay to discuss these things but not okay (at *least for me) to force my views on others. There is a big *difference between these two things. The key as you've stated is respect and more.

Dave

[soultraveler01]

Originally posted by Bruce Paine
soultraveler01,

Do you know this to be true (can you recount your past life experiences) or do you take it to be a fact based on your faith?

*I know this from personal experience both in dreams and in contemplations/meditations. But mostly these are private things and often to discuss them comes across as boasting and the like. Mainly if anyone is interested in these types of things I would only recommend they follow their interest within whatever path or religion is right for them right now.

It amazes me how much attachment people have to the past and their future and so little to the present.

*Agreed. Often we hear of people who will speak about how they were Kings and Queens and famous people in their past lives. But in this life? They are not Kings or Queens or "famous." We often do not hear about lives where people where Slave owners, murderers, or were spent working in a menial job etc etc. The key like you've stated from my pov (for whatever that is worth to others) is the present. The other extreme is people who are always thinking about the future. Somewhere in between is a middle way. For me, to have had direct experience with past lives has enabled me to have a better understanding about who I am, that is, not this body but something more, call this "something more" Soul, or energy or whatever, but definately not this body that will get old and die and certainly something that will continue on indefinately.

Is past and future compared to the present, yin or yang?

Thank you, very much.

With warm regards, love, and peace,

Bruce Paine

*I'd say yes because often our thoughts and actions of the past create our present and our thoughts and actions in the present moment create our future. Within the scope of this, is the dualistic nature of things here on earth, Yin or Yang. Everything eventually changes to its opposite. A good skill to acquire, if possible, is to stay balanced when extremes of any kind will need to be harmonized or brought once again into Yin or Yang equilibrium.

Dave