[Johnnyzen]

I did not say we do not need protein and fat! I simply mean we do not need animal protein. Soy, by the way, is a highly absorbable protein.

If you need animal protein, I guess I should be pretty sick. I am not, and have been vegetarian for 33 years. I now avoid dairy as well. I get around 50 to 70 grams protein a day from beans, seeds, nuts, soy, whole grains, etc. The diets lilke Atkins have triple what we need, mostly from foods that have the kind of fat we do not need. My cholesterol and blood pressure are very good, and I exercise regularly, and maintain a good body weight and muscle mass, and I am over 50.

MAcro and modified macro diets contain all we need. to worry about carbs is absurd, unless you are eating refined, addicting carbs.

You should read John McDoughall, MD's books, or get his tape series. He explains protein, etc, from the perspective of a plant/ whole grain based diet. He is not strictly macro, but supports that diet, and the fat and protein levels of his plan are very close to macrobiotics.

YOu could also read Kushi, who says that animal foods like fish are optional. this suggests that a whole foods vegan can follow Macrobiotics.

Since fish does contain some good nutrients, you can consider omega 3 oils from flax and hemp seeds, sonce fish today is overly polluted, in most cases.