Jane B.?
You make many of the points that Roger Windsor (
http://www.cybermacro.com/forums/for...orum1/read/927 ) made several years ago, which makes me wonder if since he hasn't been posting here in several years, if you might be Roger posing as a "Jane B.".
What is your interest in macrobiotics?
If one looks at your total posts, one doen't see any positive contributions but instead negatives and criticisms.
Do you or have you ever eaten macrobiotically?
If you are interested in the Nourishing Traditions diet then maybe you'd be more interested in communicating with those folks:
(
http://members4.boardhost.com/realfood/ ).
When you get a cold or the flu what do you do?
One problem I have with Sally Fallon and Dr. Weston Price's philosophy is that it places the responsibility for our health and well being back in the hands of others like doctors and other expensive and so called more knowledgeable persons.
Sure you can twist the truth to make it look like eating meat and dairy could be healthier by gathering information or interpreting in in a way that supports your interests, but that doesn't make it true.
Another thing about the Nourishing Traditions cooking is that it takes much longer to prepare these foods as the other meat and dairy foods that the rest of society eats, and it is not hard to imagine persons who follow this dietary philosophy occasionally having a MacDonald's burger, milkshake, or Coke.
About the macrobiotic leaders who died, first of all they all have contributed great things to the macrobiotic movement and I think it's really bad taste and with a lack of gratitude to these folks that you lump them together to try to make a point to attack macrobiotics (how would you like someone to lump together all your ancestors to make some point about you?).
If the majority of all macrobiotic eating people were suffering some detriment from the dietary philosophy and self-healing methods of macrobiotifcs then one could show that something is wrong with it.
But unfortunately, I don't think that you or anyone has that information or "facts".
In the near thirty years that I have been involved in macrobiotics, I have had more and better healing results from using macrobiotic healing methods than medical methods to heal the various ailments that I have encountered.
But before you start arguing "facts", let me tell you that it is a fact that I am Bruce Paine in Boston.
Who are you?
Thank you, very much.
Bruce Paine
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Originally Posted by jane b
Johnnyzen is again promoting untruths.
Let’s look at facts.
Some people who follow the Aktins diet may indeed eat fewer calories that before but the diet is not calorie restricted.
Researchers studied 40 obese patients aged 12 to 18 at New York’s Schneider Children’s Hospital. They were split into 2 groups, one eat a low-fat diet of 1,100 calories and the other was allowed unlimited calories while eating a carb controlled diet (the average was 1830 calories per day). The group on the low fat diet lost only half as much weight as the carb controlled group. Also the carb-controlled group had greater improvements in cholesterol and triglycerides than those on the low fat diet.
Meat, cheese, bacon bad proteins and no diet like that in the world?
Again let’s look at facts.
The Masai and other African tribes exist largely on a diet of milk, beef and blood, they are free from heart disease and have low cholesterol.
Eskimos eat copious amounts of animal fats from fish and marine animals. They are free of disease and exceptionally hardy.
Several Mediterranean societies have diets that have 70% of their calories from saturated animal fat, such as lamb, sausage and goat cheese. They have low rates of heart disease.
Puerto Ricans consume large amounts of animal fats and have low rates of colon and breast cancer.
A study of Georgia inhabitants revealed that the longest lived eat the most fatty meat.
Okinawans eat generous amounts of pork and seafood and do all their cooking in lard, their average live span is 84 years – longer than the Japanese.
The Japanese eat few dairy fats but they do eat moderate amounts of animal fats from eggs, pork, chicken, beef, seafood and organ meats.
The Swiss live almost as long as the Japanese on one of fattiest diets in the world.
In third place for longevity are Austria and Greece – both of which consume high fat diets.
The French diet is loaded with saturated fat from butter, eggs, cheese, cream, liver, meats and pates. And yet they have a lower incidence of heart disease than most western countries.
The American Cancer Society, the National Cancer Institute and the Senate Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs all claim that animal fat is linked to both heart disease and various cancers. Yet when researchers from the University of Maryland analyzed that data they found that it was vegetable fat that was correlated with high rates of cancer and NOT animal fat.
Atkins advocates a 2-week period of “induction” with 20 grams of carbs (not 10). If constipation is a problem during this initial period a tablespoon of wheat bran sprinkled on salad or other vegetables (how artificial is bran???) is recommended.
If we are honestly to review diet in the light of history we find that it is not the meat eaters that are unusual rather it is the macrobiotic diet that has no precedent. There is no evidence that any group of people have ever followed such a diet for any length of time.
If we are to negate the Atkins diet because the founder supposedly died of injuries resulting from a heart attack let’s at least apply the same logic to the macrobiotic movement and see how it holds up.
Murray Snyder – senior macrobiotic counselor – died of cancer
Aveline Kushi –founder of modern day macrobiotic movement – died of cancer
Lily Kushi – daughter of founder – died of cancer
Herman Aihara – West Coast macrobiotic leader and pioneer – died heart disease
Now numerous leaders and advocates of the macrobiotic lifestyle are developing severe osteoporosis.
Not a good track record at all is it? Especially for a movement that purports to cure and prevent the modern scurges.
I predict that in the next few years we will see saturated animal fat (from organic grass fed sources) gain new respect as a healthful and essential food item and that vegetarian (and macrobiotic ) diets will be shown to be deleterious to longterm health and vitality.
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