Roy,
By posting only one sentence of David Briscoe's article, which frames the article in an unfavorable way, you allow the readers of your post to misunderstand the article and from my point of view, potentially have people miss the insights and beauty in it as well. So here is the link in case some in the forum want more than a one sentence sound byte so they can make their own mind's up on the articles merits or not:
http://www.macroamerica.com/articles4.html
I have also included your original comments where you described David Briscoe as "a dualist at heart" and a person who "does much to diminish the all-embracing vision of macrobiotics."
To clarify for others who may not know David Briscoe, or may know of him only by your comments about him in these forums, I include his bio so that others can learn more about the person you have described as a "dualist at heart" and a person who "does much to diminish the all-embracing vision of macrobiotics."
http://www.macroamerica.com/bios.html
I think you are correct and using good judgment when you say "I'll try to stay out of this forum as much as I can." I agree that it would be better if you didn't participate in a forum designed for discussion of spiritual matters inasmuch as the topic seems to throw you off balance somehow, some way. (No, I will not define "spiritual matters" for you, LOL) I would say that your posts in the other forums are very insightful and very helpful and are received with a great deal of gratitude.
Best,
Dave
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Originally posted by Roy Collins
I'll try to stay out of this forum as much as I can and do not wish to discuss anything of a religious nature in the health forum. However, I will re-iterate that the Briscoe take was a clear shot to belittle or rather boost above those who believe in God over those who do not believe. Here again are his exact words:
>Life without a relationship to God is vacant no matter how rich or powerful or healthy one may be. <
My comment was not intended to strike back believers in God, and as I said it is good to have a variety of beliefs, no? Yes, I dis say that. My response was directed to the exclusivity of the statement itself, as it says in short, that because I do not believe in God that my life is vacant. There is no two ways that this can be taken. Truth of the matter is that in America the majority of people living here follow Judaic-Christian beliefs and that statistics bear out that 50% of all marriages end in divorce. Not to mention anything about the numerous pedophile clergy who believe in God. So as you can see not all people who believe in God are so much better off than others. That is point. Let's leave it at that.
You are correct to say that this forum was set up for spiritual discussion. Please enjoy each other and respect even those who do not belive. I will keep my distance and will express my Consttitutional right, as David did, to speak my thoughts when directed and when necessary.
In peace, Roy
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****Roy's original post where he makes comments about David Briscoe:
I did read the Briscoe link that you posted in the Spirituality Forum here and found it somewhat helpful for me to understand a little more about God. I think it is good that Briscoe thinks its a good idea to have different interpretaions of God, but disagree (and find it a demeaning) that people who believe in God have more fulfilling lives than non-believers. This is an absurd assumption and one that is overly ethno-centric. There are billions of people who live on this planet, including all infants (and animals, plants, etc) that do not believe in God(s) that lives that are full and happy as believers. This God equation, in my opinion, has nothing to do with macrobiotics. It is a separate issue altogether. Macrobiotics embraces all people from all walks of life, with or without religion. No one is greater or lesser because of his/her belief or non-belief in a deity. Many of our current world problems are due to cetain religious beliefs and a take on God that wishes destruction to all that do not follow that path. Sounds like the Crusades revisited!
As an American Briscoe has this right and freedom to express his thoughts but as a macrobiotic he must understand that if he says belivers in God(s) have better lives than non-belivers, then he does much to diminish the all-embracing vision of macrobiotics and shows that he is a dualist at heart. So thank you Dave for pointing this fact out to us. You were correcct to place your post in the Spiritual forum.
I hope this helps.
In peace, Roy