Please visit Jon's web site www.johnsandifer.com

Paul Campbell: Hi Jon welcome

Jude: Hello Jon

Craig: hi Jon

Paul Campbell: are you having to do your own typing Jon??? lol

Jude: lol

jonsandifer: Hello everyone

Paul Campbell: Hi glad you could make it

Jude: hi Duncan

jonsandifer: Renata is typing for Jon

Paul Campbell: who is typing for you?

jonsandifer: My angel #

Paul Campbell: Hi Dunc great you could make it

Paul Campbell: Hi Renata

jonsandifer: Hi, Paul

Paul Campbell: Jon I would like to introduce you to Gary Miller who runs the USA site

Jude: hi Bonita

Paul Campbell: Hi Bonita welcome

jonsandifer: Where are you based Gary

Gary: I am in New Hampshire

Bonita: Hello, i haven't been on a chat line in a while!

Gary: I heard Paul's interview of you and really enjoyed it!

Paul Campbell: Gary was running Ed Esko's site but has gone 'solo'

jonsandifer: This my first time also

Paul Campbell: I think it's very brave of you to join in like this Jon

Jude: My computer wouldn't download the interview :~(

jonsandifer: Thanks ,Gary

Paul Campbell: Hi Bill

Jude: hey Bill

Gary: Hi Bill

jonsandifer: Hi Bill -

Paul Campbell: Jon we don't really have a structure for this so I guess we
can just go with the flow OK

jonsandifer: That's fine

Jude: Hi Susan

Paul Campbell: Jon did you hear the interview we did

Paul Campbell: Hi Susan welcome

susan: hi jude, jon, and everyone

jonsandifer: Not yet

susan: hi paul, thanks

Bill Neall: hello everybody

jonsandifer: Hi, Susan

Paul Campbell: I thought it wasn't too bad but I was a bit nervous

susan: hi jon. we met at the macro conference two years ago.

Paul Campbell: you can tell from my voice

Bill Neall: Paul...I went to your site to get the interview...where is it?

jonsandifer: I thought you were very profesional

Paul Campbell: thanks...lol it's on the mbuk radio bit

jonsandifer: Susan, was that in Vermont ?

Paul Campbell: Bill

susan: yes.

Paul Campbell: its on real audio

Gary: Paul is indistinguishable from a BBC Interviewer.

Bill Neall: I didn't see it advertised

susan: missed you at last years conference

Paul Campbell: ha ha ..

Bill Neall: yes, all I got on real audio was Heaven

Paul Campbell: Jon can I ask a question?

Bill Neall: no other choices

Jude: hello florence

jonsandifer: It's quite an expense to get to the States with a travel
etc.

Paul Campbell: Why do you think the other teachers might be shy of coming in on the chats?

Bill Neall: Jon...how do you perceive the state of macrobiotics these days?

Paul Campbell: I changed it yesterday Bill

jonsandifer: Probably like me, they don't type !

Bill Neall: Jon...why don't we see more teachers on the forums?

susan: it's great that you have chosen to join the chat, jon . ..

jonsandifer: It would appear to be in the doldrums

Bill Neall: Jon...why do you think that is?

Craig: macrobiotics is in the doldrums ?

jonsandifer: Do you mean , Bill, website forums?

Jude: hey Stewart

Bill Neall: Jon..yes

bon:Are there any macrobiotic centres like the Kushi institute in England, Scotland or France? Do they have work study programs?

Jude: yes, I'd be interested in that too

Jude: bonita

Bill Neall: this is going to get complicated...

jonsandifer: I think , basically , MB needs to reinvent itself

susan: where is everyone from?

Paul Campbell: It will level out...

Jude: England

Paul Campbell: England

Craig: Colorado

susan: new jersey

Bill Neall: Jon...who is going to do the reinventing?

Gary: New Hampshire

jonsandifer: There is no more Kushi Institute in Great Britain

Bill Neall: San Francisco

bonita:Canada but currently New Hampshire

jonsandifer: England

jonsandifer: Perhaps the next generation

Bill Neall: Teachers need to join in the forums on the web and get into
dynamic discussions

Bill Neall: Jon...no, you can't say that...we are going to do it

susan: this is a great way to establish a support group world-wide

Craig: why reinvent ?

Bill Neall: Jon...what is the next generation going to base it on?

Jude: how exactly would you go about reinventing it?

jonsandifer: I am sure it is a very good medium to open up the discussions

Bill Neall: Jon...it will keep getting rehashed and going over the same old stuff

Craig: reinventing would worry me, it seems that whenever something is reinvented it is simplified and not like the original

Bill Neall: We know, or ;should know, what the basics are...

Jude: Hey Donna

Paul Campbell: Hi Donna welcome

Bonita: pioneers explore - i don't think we should be afraid to

Bill Neall: Craig...how do you think mb is going to change

Donna: Hi everyone

Bill Neall: ]Donna

susan: hi

Craig: the books or explanations might become more western sounding, more easily understood by us westerners

Bill Neall: Jon...where do you think the problem lies

jonsandifer: In my recent experience of meeting with macro teachers in switzerland, I realised they are teaching the same material and the same style from 10 years ago, while at the same time complaining that they have

jonsandifer: little income

Bill Neall: Jon...that's because they're stuck

jonsandifer: Hi , Donna

Donna: Hi Jon

Bill Neall: Jon...and also you have to support yourself and heal yourself as
well as teach macrobiotics...it involves you as well as others

jonsandifer: It's the comunication of MB that needs to meet with current
trends

Craig: too bad the real income is going to these quick fad diet programs,
which arent health related at all

Bill Neall: Nobody said it was going to be easy

Bill Neall: and magnets

Donna: Jude, did you find the forum? I sent the URL and the very next day it was changed!

Donna: find - I meant find

Jude: no I didn't find it :-(

Bill Neall: The macrobiotic community is moving sideways

jonsandifer: Has this magnet fad taken off in the US?

Jude: hello Emily

Craig: yes, especially with pro sport teams

Donna: When you get to the chat page at first, there is a button saying forum - that's what you want

jonsandifer: Hi, Emily

Bill Neall: I think it's just an excuse for working on your own deeper stuff

Donna: hello emily

emily: hello

Bill Neall: Jon...yes, Bill Tara is claiming to be making 40K a month

Paul Campbell: Jon you visit both sides of the Atlantic, do you think the
picture is different on both sides?

Jude: i c, I'll check it out, donna

Bill Neall: Now, there's a case of big distraction to macrobiotics

jonsandifer: I believe the teaching style is much the same

Donna: Okey, dokey Jude. Emily, where are you?

emily: I live in Florida

susan: my sister has been working with nikken magnets in canada for about 8 years now and is doing very well with them

Bill Neall: Jon...you say the teaching is the same as 10 years ago...and
this is just because of income?

Craig: i thought magnets were mainly for pain

Paul Campbell: :::::Can I say at this point that if anyone wants to chat
with anyone privately... just double click on their name...

Bill Neall: Craig...magnets have become the next bluegreen algae

susan: they have a wide range of products, including sleep pads, quilts,
socks . . . etc

Bill Neall: Paul...this will further complicate things, I think

Craig: Could macrobiotics be taught a little differently, I talk to many
people who want to learn bit cant get the concept of yin/yang down in
their minds

jonsandifer: Bill, no I think it's because the teachers don't get together
like we used to do - when we studied and gave each other critique

Bill Neall: Private is inclusive, isn't it?

Jude: have macrobiotics been proven to help asthma?

Bill Neall: Jon...yes, we hold two conferences a year and only several
teachers show up....do they want to interact with each other?

Bill Neall: Recently, we've lost several teachers to the magnet thing...and
that takes a lot of time away from mb

Donna: Hi Florence

Paul Campbell: Bill I thought that if people wanted to discuss small things
ie friends, that it would clear more space for Jon to answer questions

Donna: Oh, she went

Bill Neall: Paul...sorry...I agree

jonsandifer: OK

Bill Neall: Jon...teachers aren't listening to teachers...I've seen this
first on the first hand...they're ;in their own world

jonsandifer: Does anyone have a question?

Jude: yes, has macrobiotics been proven to help asthma?

Jude: hey sheri

Paul Campbell: Hi welcome sheri

Sheri: Hey Jude

Sheri: Hi Paul

Donna: Hi Sheri

Bill Neall: Jon...would you be so kind to participate in our forums at this site...this would be a step in the right direction

Paul Campbell: Hey Duncan are you there?

jonsandifer: I knew several people who ceasde having atacks after beginning MB

Sheri: Hi Donna

Jude: that's good

Jude: I have had asthma since I was five

Bill Neall: Jude...macrobiotics allows your body to heal itself...of
anything

jonsandifer: Bill, can I see how I survive this hour , first!

Bill Neall: if you're willing to set it in motion

Craig: I have a question

jonsandifer: Ok Craig

Bill Neall: Jon...the forums are different...you can come and go as you
please...

jonsandifer: Bill, OK

Craig: Is there any confusion now with teachers and the macrobiotics in general between the Kushi ins and the Vega institute

jonsandifer: Hi, sheri

Sheri: Hi Jon

jonsandifer: Not to my knowledge

Jude: Paul, did you get my e-mail about the starter pack??

Bill Neall: Craig...Jon may not know about what is going on at vega

Gary: Jon, do you have one topic that is important to you the most?

jonsandifer: Right !

Craig: Ok, I have recently started to get the Vega catalogs here

Bill Neall: Craig...Vega, since Herman died, has been in a state of chaos and probably won't survive

Bill Neall: Craig..however, change is good and what comes out of it remains to be seen

Donna: Does anyone know anything about the mb centre in Antwerp? Can people study there?

jonsandifer: Gary, currently I write books and articles and very little teaching or counseling , by choice

Bill Neall: Craig..as for the relationship of east coast to west coast, we think differently out here and have different takes on things than the KI

jonsandifer: Donna, I generally visit a couple of times a year

gary: Thanks Jon.

Bill Neall: Craig...as far as I'm concerned...

Donna: what happens there?

Donna: what happens there?

Donna: Is it a KI?

Bill Neall: Craig..that is not including most former KI graduates

jonsandifer: Donna, most of their courses are in flutch !

jonsandifer: Donna, no longer

Craig: ok

susan: jon, what are your recent publications?

Donna: oh, well...

Bill Neall: Craig...yes, vega is sending out catalogs...problem is, very little teachers and less response...herman's son Jiro has burned many bridges

Bill Neall: Craig...and Jiro is not macrobiotic

jonsandifer: I just published Feng shui ( Piatkus) and Feng Shui Journey comes out in May and I've got contract to do a guide to MB

susan: i bought your feng shui astrology book when we met in '97 . . . i'd be interested in anything you've written after that

Craig: that doesnt sound good for the Vega group, not even being macrobiotic

susan: how can i order copies of both?

jonsandifer: Susan, where do you live ?

susan: new jersey

Bill Neall: Craig...yes, there lies the problem...and they're also stuck in the same place for many years and are unwilling to change

Craig: who is David Briscoe then ?

jonsandifer: Susan, Paul has set my website to Amazon US and UK

Bill Neall: Craig...now, the KI is also struggling, I hear

Donna: I have to go early tonight - I've got lots to do. Speak to you all next week!

Donna: Bye!

Craig: I would hate to see the KI quit or go under

Sheri: Bye Donna

jonsandifer: By, Donna

Donna: LHP, everyone

susan: bye donna

Bill Neall: Craig...David Brisco resigned as manager of Vega last fall...he is no longer associated with them as are manyh others

emily: bye donna

Jude: bye donna'

susan: jon, are your books available through amazon.com?

Bill Neall: Craig...why Vega doesn't address this is beyond me...on one hand, they blame everybody for their situation, and on the other, the leave the prior associations in tack

Bill Neall: If anyone wants to contact vega, the number is (800) 818-8342

Sheri: Bye Jude

Bill Neall: hey jude

jonsandifer: I would like to acknowledge Paul for getting this chat line going and I hope many more macros get to hear about it

susan: take care, jude

Jude: u too

Jude: BYEEEE!!

susan: great job, paul . . . kudos to you!

Bill Neall: also, Gary Miller on this end

Paul Campbell: Bye Jude see you later

emily: bye jude

susan: kudos to you, gary, and to everyone for coming

jonsandifer: Sorry I forgot Gary!

susan: this is great!

Sheri: Yes Paul, this is wonderful

susan: thank you, jon, for being here

Paul Campbell: I hope this will be the first of many

Bill Neall: Jon...we would also like the forums to get more participation

jonsandifer: Did you all know that Paul ran the East West restaurant in London?

Bill Neall: Jon...so let your friends know that we exist, everybody...and check out the website

Paul Campbell: Bill there was some heavy stuff on the forum this week

Bill Neall: fJon...what happened to the Community Health Project

Paul Campbell: CHF

jonsandifer: Bill, the ChF got into financial difficulties

Bill Neall: Paul...yes..I personally think it's great...I'm enjoying the interaction and hope others do to...

Paul Campbell: Hey what is everyones 9star ki signs? I,m 252

Phoebe: hey

Bill Neall: Paul...I don't want others to feel excluded from asking their questions, however

Paul Campbell: hi P

Sheri: Hi Phoebe

Bill Neall: Paul...I am there to help and learn from everybody

Paul Campbell: Hi shy person

Craig: Paul, I actually forgot mine

emily: hi pheobe

jonsandifer: Hi, Peoebe

jonsandifer: Hi, xxx

Phoebe: hi xxx

Bill Neall: Jon...it seems that all mb things go that way...why don't we or can't we get the support we need just to keep things going

Bonita:

bonita:Jon or Paul or any euro connected folk. I'm hoping to study more at the Kushi institute but this may not be possible Visa wise thus i am also looking for possibilites in the uk or france where i might learn from people in the field and also bring mb to the next generation. Any ideas? Suggestions?

Paul Campbell: Bill I was showing my kids the site and coming from that perspective it puts a different light on the subject

Bill Neall: Bonita...yes, one is to do it over the web

bonita: Spain too

Bill Neall: Paul...I assume you're talking about the xxxx stuff last week

Paul Campbell: yes I guess so Bill, I didn't stay too long but it did,n't give me a good feeling..

Bill Neall: Paul..Ed's kids were interested in talking about macrobiotics, but in the end, they weren't ;interested

jonsandifer: I believe it's all down to getting into communication again, and nobody can force it .

Bill Neall: Paul...sorry, that shouldn't have ever happened...but it's an open forum and there is always that possibility

susan: wish i could chat longer, but gotta go . . . it's been great

Craig: Jon do you feel that macrobiotics in general is fading away

susan: see you next week

Craig: talk to you later Susan

Sheri: Bye Susan

Phoebe: bye

susan: bye y'all!

jonsandifer: Bonita, you may wish to contact the KI in Amsterdam

susan: thanks again jon

Paul Campbell: Bye Susan

Bill Neall: Paul...some people are very sick and don't always realize it...look at what garbage comes in through the media...

susan: . . .poof!

Bill Neall: Pual...this is even more dangerous

Paul Campbell: I agree Bill

Craig: give an example of garbage through the media that could be dangerous

jonsandifer: Craig, many people still practice MB and without a doubt shiatsu , wholefood shops even Fang Shui ows a lot to the MB pioneers

Bill Neall: Poof? is there a different meaning to that in the UK, no?

Paul Campbell: Yes....lol

Bonita: so the impression i'm getting is that there are not very many places out there to learn macrobiotics and very little communication happening between groups

Craig: so many once health food stores here are becoming more and more gourmet stores instead

jonsandifer: Paul, OK

Bill Neall: Dairy and meat industry in the schools, genetic engineering, politics...candy wrapped in packages to look like cigarettes...soda in bottles that look like beer

Bonita: is this true? and thank you jon for the amsterdam suggestion

emily: there should be one of these forums in asia or China or Japan

Craig: I agree 100% Bill, the pop industry is taking over all of the school districts here

Sheri: I need to run for now.....Jon - thank you for coming today

Paul Campbell: Bye sheri thanks for coming

Bill Neall: Craig...the creeping corruption into our lives in order to collect the almighty dollar and maintain power

jonsandifer: Bonita, we began a summer camp 15 years ago in the UK with 30 people - this year the host are expecting 300!

Sheri: It was a pleasure, I enjoyed your website too

Bill Neall: Craig...the attempted capture of the food supply by Monsanto and others.. .control of crops

jonsandifer: Thank you, Sheri

bonita: That's wonderful! Where are you holding it this year?

Craig: that is also very dangerous and scary Bill, Monsanto is a lovely company

Sheri: :-) Bye, bye - see ya'll next week

Bill Neall: Modern medicine and it's control over the individual through fear

jonsandifer: Near Stratford on Avon, Shakespeare country!

Bill Neall: antibiotics showing up in ground water

Craig: The FDA just said last week they are thinking of stopping antibiotics in animal feed...or acknowlidged that there is a problem

Paul Campbell: I don,t know about Gary's site but we are getting loads of email requests for all things macro, I think mb is alive and well but not in the same place as it was 10 - 15 years ago.

Craig: there seems to be a growing number of vegans in the US though, whether or not they are macro yet I dont know

Bill Neall: They'r onlly doing that because of public pressure...they've known about it for years...and how about the amount of antibiotics going through humans about it for years...and how about the amount of antibiotics going through humans

Paul Campbell: I think the internet will see a big change

jonsandifer: Paul, I think MB is still very much alive but doesn't have a high profile

Bill Neall: Craig...what happens if we loose our food supply

Craig: People like Dr; McDougal made understanding vegatarianism easier than it was for many

Bill Neall: Jon...I tend to agree

emily Millard: /well, I just wanted to say that when I was travelling I thought London had some great health food shops, and I was especially relieved that they were selling at least some organics in the grocery stores. That was several years ago, and at least american grocery stores are catching up.

Craig: I dont know, I wish I could just grow my own

Bill Neall: Jon...we need to change it to improve it

Craig: yes US stores are catchin up, now if we could just get a standard organic certification things would be better

Paul Campbell: Jon how are you finding the chat ? is it difficult?

Bill Neall: Paul...vegetarianism is not exactly macrobiotics

jonsandifer: Emily, one of London's largerst shops , Freshlands , has just opened a new branch and it's connected with Wild Oats as a group

Bill Neall: Paul...why shoul it be difficult...outside of typing

Bill Neall: Sorry Paul, that vegetarian thing was directed for Craig

Paul Campbell: Just trying to be a good host Bill

Bonita:Jon, thank you, best of luck with you books etc. Perhaps i will meet some of you at the KI conference this summer or abroad in upcoming years. Ciao!

Craig: I think Wild Oats is changing here to be more of a gourmet store than the health food store it used to be

jonsandifer: Paul, as you know I can't type but my wonderful Croatian Renata is doing a fine job and we have only one argumen