Bill Neall: Harold...you wouldn't think so

Paul Campbell: welcome back kaare : In fact, Kaare was a veterinarian before macrobiotics

Harold: Something obviously happened in his life to make him antagonistic (more than most) toward medicine and science

Bill Neall: Hi Kaare

Harold: Oops, he's here....

Paul Campbell: Hi Jon

Kaare:as I was saying before being so rudely interrupted:)

Paul Campbell: Bye Jon

Bill Neall: I think he has a good understanding of the differences between macrobiotics and medicine and science

Paul Campbell: Hi again Jon

Dax: i'm a vegetarian too, eat however a little bit of fish from time to time

Bill Neall: hello Jon...glad you could show up

Kaare:Hello

Kathleen: My story? Back in school, is interfering with my meditation and yoga practise, feeling very yucky because of it, decided that no matter what, I must eat, so maybe a practise that manifests in part with food? So just easing into it now, already a veg.

Bill Neall: Kaare...you were talking about the balance of materialism and disease

Paul Campbell: Jon we all got kicked off and are returning one by one like dispersed troops

Non Arrogant Harold: Kaare, that was not me who said those things, but rather my brother, the regular Harold....

Kaare:Harold, if you want to go rdeeply into why I am so antaganostic toward medicien and science

Kaare:check out the page on my website entitled

Non Arrogant Harold: My brother, Harold, was curious, that's all

Non Arrogant Harold: I'll tell him

Bill Neall: NAH..are you and your brother in the same body?

jon sandifer: jjambo Kaare,Habari yako?

Non Arrogant Harold: LOL

Non Arrogant Harold: Only when we get in trouble

Kaare:Modern Scientific Medicine - A Tragic Error

Bill Neall: NAH...that clarifies it, thanks

Non Arrogant Harold: Kaare, are there any "good" doctors, in your humble opinion?

Kaare:I am fine Jon - long time since I spoke Swahili

Kaare:Yeah, in my humble opinion, the ones who have dropped the MD after their name

Paul Campbell: Hi Nadine welcome back

nadine Barner: missed anything?

Non Arrogant Harold: harsh....what about retired doctors....

Bill Neall: how many doctors do you think are truly macrobiotic?

Non Arrogant Harold: or doctors who are demented?

Paul Campbell: no we were all out

nadine Barner: that site of yours is not perfect hey?

Bill Neall: NAH...define doctor

Kaare:Okay, lets check out this doctor thingy

Non Arrogant Harold: Marc Van Cawenberg

Non Arrogant Harold: MD

jon sandifer: Kaare, where is Marc van C these days

nadine Barner: KI?

Kaare:So he is disqaulified:)

Non Arrogant Harold: what about chiropractors?

Dax: marc van cauwenberge, you mean the belgian doctor ?

Bill Neall: I hear marc is into pro-biotics

Dax: this is my first chat here bill, are there other times or places to chat

Bill Neall: Kaare is, in my opinion, leading macrobiotics into new thinking

Kathleen: Thankx <

Bill Neall: Dax...for now this time is the ohnly one...you could probably set up times for yourself

Dax: i haven't read anything about antoposophy, so it seems very strange to me

Harold: Separating the wheat from the chaf

Harold: what is that big work Dax

Kathleen: Ha, I'll speak for the chaf

Harold: Remember, I flunked Greek Mythology

Bill Neall: Yes Anthroposophy seems really strange at first...it helps to have some macrobiotics behind you...

Dax: i don't see the connection with macrobiotics right now

Dax: what big work harold ??

Bill Neall: It took me at least 5 years before I even wanted to look at it...

Kathleen: So Dax, are you new to this too?

Paul Campbell: what is that Bill

nadine Barner: works at the beginning for some people

Kaare:Sofia Rodrigues is great - one of my students - I counselled when she was dying and she now has the most successful network chiropractic practice in the country

Non Arrogant Harold: what about osteopathic physicians, are they somewhere between MD's and DC's?

Non Arrogant Harold: Isn't it sort of silly to label someone good or bad based upon their degrees designated?

db: again, what is pro-biotics?

Bill Neall: Pro-biotics is additives for the intestines fo aid in digestion

Kaare:The point is Harold that modern medicinne is based on a very incomplete picture of life an dthe human being

Non Arrogant Harold: Do you think there is any usefullness in ER (emergency room) medicine?

Paul Campbell: He was one of the best teachers at the old KI in London

Non Arrogant Harold: but Kaare, we are indeed made up of such things (Chemistry 101 - I passed that one)

Kaare:no we are not

Kathleen: Kaare, I agree with you that science and med ARE incomplete, but I think they can be transformed into something complete, but that this is not going on now.

Bill Neall: Kathleen...how would this be done?

Kaare:yes, and it is macrobiotics job to transform it

Bill Neall: Kaare...are you sure it's a transformation?

Non Arrogant Harold: Bak to this idea that we are not made up on molecules and atoms....dwell on that for a moment Kaare

nadine Barner: yes Kaare explain

Kathleen: I'm an engineering student, my interest is in reorganizing society to be more human oriented, a small example? Cars and all we do to maintain them, not human oriented at all...

Bill Neall: Kaare...I think it's in another direction

Kaare:The basis of life being made up of atoms and molecules is a an artifact of the

Non Arrogant Harold: Have no idea what you mean Kaare

nadine Barner: because it's outside of the body and the whole?

db: i think you're getting to the point that the reality is spiritual?

nadine Barner: you cannot distinguish the part from the whole?

Kaare:The spiritual activity whcih we call carbon or iron etc

Non Arrogant Harold: specifically, what is the reality...in words a moron (me) can understand

Kathleen: And we think technology is us too, someones car hits our car and we say, 'she his me' but she is not her car, our car is not us

Kathleen: she hit me, typo

Bill Neall: Kathleen...you can look at as what you attract and what you're attracted to

Kaare:In other words, carbon is not an atom, it is a spiritual action which we call carbon

Non Arrogant Harold: a spiritual action? isn't that also called a scientific phenonomea?

db: yes, a certain balance of contracting and expanding energies....

Bill Neall: Kathleen...based upon your present condition

Kaare:And what we see under the microscope is the action of carbon frozen in an image

Non Arrogant Harold: i.e. a scientific phenomonea......we may be talking semantics here

Paul Campbell: thats the trouble with talking

Kaare:yes it is a scientific phenomenon - but a spiritual phenomenon

Kathleen: Bill? Not sure what you are referencing?

Bill Neall: NAH...we're talking different thinking

Non Arrogant Harold: so, it is a samantic issue (?)

nadine Barner: meaning things happen on various levels

Kaare:no it is not merely a matter of semantics

Non Arrogant Harold: semantic

Non Arrogant Harold: symantic

Non Arrogant Harold: a word issue

Bill Neall: Kathleen...when you have an encounter with something or someone, it's an indication of your condition in terms of yin and yang

Dax: what means NAH ???

Kaare:Basically is we undersatnd that the basis of life is spiritual then we are on our way out of the trap of modern science

Non Arrogant Harold: why? The scientist perceives the same thing, calls it one thing...we call it 'spiritual'

db: yes

Bill Neall: Non Arrogant Harold...if NAH had to type this every time, he would also use something different

nadine Barner: good point harodl

Non Arrogant Harold: Meaning what Bill?

Bill Neall: now we are getting somewhere

Non Arrogant Harold: thanks Nadine

Non Arrogant Harold: ok

Kaare:Right - and on that difference of perception hangs the whole world

Kathleen: Mmmm, gotcha Bill. I am tabula rasa...

Dax: thnx

nadine Barner: so are we going to keep on fighting because of semantics?

Bill Neall: NAH...meaning that if I want to address you I would have to type the whole thing where as you end puts it up automatically

Non Arrogant Harold: So, everything is indeed in the eye of the beholder, and the key is how we process the information and observations we make (?)

Bruce: Is communicating on computers material or spiritual?

Kaare:So, then instead of saying we are chemical beings who need to take drugs

Non Arrogant Harold: ok, I see Bill

nadine Barner: material...esp must be spiritual!

Bill Neall: Bruce...a little of both

jon sandifer: difficult

Bill Neall: leaves a lot out

Dax: it's in the eye of the beholder, everyone understands, interprets diffrently

Kaare:we see we are spiritual beings who eat food perceived spiritually in order to heal our imbalances

Bill Neall: Kaare...nice

Non Arrogant Harold: So, it is how we perceive the food?

Bruce: Kaare, am I here?

Kaare:That is we see foods in terms of Chi and the yin and yang of chi

Dax: then our body is an amazing being

db: of course it is

Kaare:Our body is totally awesome

Non Arrogant Harold: But some people recover eating macrobiotically who (initially) look at the food as just 'the food' detached from anything spiritual...how do they manage to recover?

Bill Neall: what we're trying to do is to let our body take over as it knows how

Kaare:In eastern esoteric terms what the eastern culture calls chi is referred as 'etheric"

Kaare:soory western esotericism refers to what the east calls chi as etheric

db: nah, i think they recover because their body recognizes the chi of the food whether their mind does or not

Dax: chi is the energy of life ...

Non Arrogant Harold: need to work on those sorrys though

Bruce: Hi, we are here today on the Cybermacro chat and that person hovering above us over the is Kaare Bursell!

jon sandifer: they have the constitution of a truck driver(NAH)

Kaare:yep, my type is lousy:)

Non Arrogant Harold: jsut teasing you Kaare

Kaare:Okay, now we are getting going

Non Arrogant Harold: ditto for me

Non Arrogant Harold: So, it is not in the perception or it is?

Paul Campbell: Hi Naomi

Bruce: As you can see, Kaare is carrying on a thread (private conversation?) with his initiates!

db: it seems to me, the more spiritual our perception becomes, the more true; that if we see hings materially, we are always missing the mark to some degree

nadine Barner: right db

Kaare:The human being is constituted of physical body (Condensed spirit - mineral kingdom), etheric body (plant kingdom), astral body(animal kingdom)

Dax: i agree db

Naomi Barnes: it will take me a second to get the hang of it here..thanks

Bill Neall: Bruce...he's trying to explain his position and he's into it...

Bruce: We try to get closer to him but he hovers farther away, with his back turned to us, the unchosen!

Kaare:and Higher self (also called The I am, Christ, Ahura-Mazdoa, Vishnu-Karman, to name a few names designated to teh I am or Christ over the centuries)

Bill Neall: The chat will be posted later for those of you who started late or need more time to digest it, right gary?

Naomi Barnes: Hi, my name is Naomi.. I am from Washington State. Have a daughter studying inrome until July... she has not found any macro or natural places to eat.. anybody know of some connection?

nadine Barner: Kaare, astral body the animal kingdom? can you explain that?

Gary Miller: Yes, please copy it Bill, and I will put it online.

Non Arrogant Harold: Must go. It has been informative and interesting Kaare and others. Bye.

Dax: why only three bodies kaare

db: bye

Dax: bye nah

Paul Campbell: When in Rome.......

Kaare:So, macrobiotically speaking we eat the foods we eat not because they are composed of protein, cho etc, but because they have the right balance of chi in themor the human body in terms of yin and yang

Bruce: Ah, one of his initiates has now spoken to us, if we get closer we can maybe get the word as interpreted by this person!

Kathleen: bye

Kaare:bye - see you next week?

Non Arrogant Harold: I will try....depends upon when church let's out!

db: bruce, why do you think you have such a perception of alienation?

Gary Miller: Bye nah

Kaare:Whynly three bodies?

Dax: what do you mean bruce ?

Naomi Barnes: Naomi...yes...true..and she is geting sick of piazza and pasta! greens are good etc... how do you enter one's name here, type it each time?

Non Arrogant Harold: Bye all

Bill Neall: Naomi...a quick look in my directory shows a place called Snack Naturists on the Via Della Vite in Roma...

jon sandifer: Kaare,kwaheri bwana na santa sana, salaams

Bill Neall: That's Naturista and it says something about being macrobiotic is some way

db: naomi, no need to enter your name

Kaare:Well, the world tells us why - Mineral Kingdom, Plant Kingdom, Animal Kingdom

Naomi Barnes: Naomi: Thanks, Bill, what directory do you have there?

Bruce: The crowd moves away so maybe we can get closer for an interview with his holiness.

Kaare:Hey Bruce, You are holy too

Bill Neall: Inrternational Macrobiotic Directory, 510.601.1763

Dax: bruce i accept kaare to be the host, don't you ??

Kaare:The point is we are all childern of the light and we just have to recognize it

Dax: but only when he's hosting (lol)

Paul Campbell: ha ha

Bill Neall: Bruce...why are you jumping all over Kaare...you came in late...he has been going for a long time now...let it be

Kaare:I am the host that brings you the most :)

Dax: at your parties

Bill Neall: Thanks Kaare

Kaare:I am always at a party

Bruce: Oh, I am struck by a blinding light as he looks directly at me and speaks (Hey Bruce, you are holy, too!)!

Kaare:Anyway, to get back top where we once came from, d...you wouldn't think so

Bill Neall: With the macrobiotic problem...

Kaare:there becasue he gave a counseling to his wife 12 years ago and she died

sheri: That's right Bruce - balance it out!!!

nadine Barner: oh my god!

Kaare:'the plot thickemns

nadine Barner: so macrobiotic is on trial?

Kaare:Meanwhile he had a radio program that was becoming very popular

Dax: that's serious ...

Kathleen: People tend to die, when are we going to figure that out and mellow about it???

Kaare:So he got sued, and the papers had huge headlines - Kill Macrobiotics Kill Kushi Institute

Bruce: Nothing like a little gossip to liven the party, eh Kaare?Bill?

sheri: Wow - is this official related to the family or something?

Dax: sheri i don't intent to degrade women, no hard feelings ?

Bill Neall: Gary...I lost part of it...just went away before I could update it...sorry...I don't know wat to do

Kathleen: ick

Kaare:Right

nadine Barner: Kill macrobiotic?!

sheri: No, no hard feelings Dax... :-)

Kaare:The officia;l was her husband

Kaare:Is her husband

sheri: oh, i see!

sheri: I have the scenario now.

Kaare:So, when I heard this - at teh PMC last week

Bill Neall: Bruce, what gossip are you talking about

Kathleen: Dax if you tried my cooking you would NEVER assume that women cooking was preferable to guys

sheri: LOL Kathleen

Kathleen: time to go

Bill Neall: by Kathleen, thanks for showing up...see you again

nadine Barner: bye K

Paul Campbell: Bye Kathleen

Gary Miller: Do your best Bill, whatever you save will be of benefit.

Bill Neall: With the macrobiotic problem...

Paul Campbell: missed again

Dax: hahaha

sheri: LOL Paul.....what can ya say!!!!

Kaare:my first thought was if Adelbeert had been saying that macrobiotics cures cancer - then he deserves it

nadine Barner: going to your pet subject about being no cure?

nadine Barner: there being

Kaare:But, if this is because his radio show was getting too popular and he is making suggestions that people

Kaare:stop eating cheese, eggs, butter, meat etc (and you know what a big dairy holland is:))

Bruce: Bill, did you miss the thread about Holland?

sheri: I've got to run.....nice seeing you all here...see you next week!!!

Paul Campbell: Bye sheri...

Paul Campbell: got it

Kaare:Then this means the powers that be are getting worried there

db: bye

Paul Campbell: I think

Bill Neall: Bruce...no, I don't think so...but I don't think its gossip..I heard it from the same person Kaare did

Dax: bye

sheri: I was waiting for you Paul

sheri: LOL

Paul Campbell: thanks

Bill Neall: bye db, dax

sheri: :-) Byeeee

Paul Campbell: have you gone?

db: i was saying bye to sheri.....sorry

Kaare:Adelbeert is "underground" and came to Becket to ask Michio's advice

Bill Neall: Bruce...and they were just at the KI recently...it was all over the newspapers in Amsterdam, like Kill Macrobiotics, etc...

Bruce: Heard (gossip) or read (news), Bill?

Kaare:This was reported to us who was at the KI when it all came up

Bruce: Sorry, but I missed that bit of info?

Bill Neall: Bruce, heard reported...how would you suggest it be passed on...

nadine Barner: silence in the room?

Kaare:Anway, what this brings up for me is maybe we need to change how we go about teaching and disseminating macrobiotics

Kaare:And I wondered if anyone else had ideas

Bruce: Bill, because of the way I first read it on this chat line, it sounded like gossip (Passed from person to person),

db: i've been coming to similar realizations, both through macro and Reiki

db: i used to think of macro and Reiki in terms of physical (or other) healing......

Paul Campbell: I think that if Edelbert had taught it under any other name or guise , he would have had the same problems

db: now i see the whole thing is nothing but a matter of spiritual awakening

Dax: i think not starting to talk about yin and yang and use more western terms

Bill Neall: Bruce...It was passed from person to person, but what's the difference between that and reading it in the papers...isn't that from person to person as well

db: bye

Paul Campbell: I think

Bill Neall: Bruce...no, I don't think so...but I don't think its gossip..I heard it from the same person Kaare did

Dax: bye

sheri: I was waiting for you Paul

sheri: LOL

Paul Campbell: thanks

Bill Neall: bye db, dax

sheri: :-) Byeeee

Paul Campbell: have you gone?

db: i was saying bye to sheri.....sorry

Kaare:Adelbeert is "underground" and came to Becket to ask Michio's advice

Bill Neall: Bruce...and they were just at the KI recently...it was all over the newspapers in Amsterdam, like Kill Macrobiotics, etc...

Bruce: Heard (gossip) or read (news), Bill?

Kaare:This was reported to us who was at the KI when it all came up

Bruce: Sorry, but I missed that bit of info?

Bill Neall: Bruce, heard reported...how would you suggest it be passed on...

nadine Barner: silence in the room?

Kaare:Anway, what this brings up for me is maybe we need to change how we go about teaching and disseminating macrobiotics

Kaare:And I wondered if anyone else had ideas

Bruce: Bill, because of the way I first read it on this chat line, it sounded like gossip (Passed from person to person),

db: i've been coming to similar realizations, both through macro and Reiki

db: i used to think of macro and Reiki in terms of physical (or other) healing......

Paul Campbell: I think that if Edelbert had taught it under any other name or guise , he would have had the same problems

db: now i see the whole thing is nothing but a matter of spiritual awakening

Dax: i think not starting to talk about yin and yang and use more western terms

Bill Neall: Bruce...It was passed from person to person, but what's the difference between that and reading it in the papers...isn't that from person to person as well

Kaare:so amplify Paul

Paul Campbell: I don' t want to say what the rest of

Paul Campbell: the Euro

Bruce: A united front and back might be good for starters, Kaare!

Bill Neall: db...agreed

Bill Neall: Bruce...so how do we unite the front and back as you say

Paul Campbell: teachers said about the situation , but I think htey basically told Edelbert that he had made his bed so lie in it

Bill Neall: Paul...sounds about right

Kaare:Yes it would Bruce but we have to make sure our unity is not unifoirmity

nadine Barner: Got to run...hungry!..see you all next week...bye Kaare

Bill Neall: bye nadine...thanks

db: see ya

Paul Campbell: Bye nadine

Bruce: Bill, apparently you've never found out how information distorts and changes as it goes from person to person.

db: not uniformity, yes!

Kaare:Bye nadine - books will be in the mail in teh next day or so

Kaare:Well Bruce, it sounds like we got the story right

Bill Neall: Bruce...yes, I'm well aware of it...but I also think that there is a bit of truth in everything and that it gives one an idea of what's going on based on one's interpretaionn

Kaare:I agree, if adelbert did say dumb things

Bill Neall: based on one's condition

Paul Campbell: Do you know Edelbert personally , guys

Gary Miller: I gotta go eat lunch.

Bruce: Well, for one thing we have to all come into an agreement on basic terms.

Kaare:But, if he did not then I think this bears a closer look

Bill Neall: No

Gary Miller: Thanks for being the chat guest this week Kaare.

Paul Campbell: bye Gary,

Gary Miller: Bye Paul

db: bye gary

Bill Neall: hey Gary...don't leave me now...just kidding

Gary Miller: Thanks for taking care of the log Bill

Kaare:You are welcome - I am going to try and partcipate every week

Bill Neall: Bruce...have you noticed that process on the forums?

Kaare:No I have never net him

Gary Miller: Thanks Kaare

Gary Miller: Bye

Kaare:Do you personally know Adelbert Paul

Paul Campbell: Only through classes and friends who know him

Bruce: I notice some attempts but since there is no facilitator it's a bit chaotic.

Kaare:whats he like?

Kaare:hi scott

Kaare:oops he left

db: now he's back

db: hi scott

Bill Neall: Yes, this is what we're up against...no facilitator needed out there, doesn't work...

Scott: hi

Dax: hi scott

Bill Neall: welcome scott

Scott: hello dax

Paul Campbell: Sorry kaare I am trying to think of a diplomatic answer

Bruce: Hello, Scott.

Paul Campbell: :-)

Scott: hello all

Bill Neall: Scott...where have you been lately...caughtup in school?

Kaare:Paul, do not be bleeding diplomatic - jeez, we have had enough of that in macrobiotics to last several lifetimes

Scott: outta town....and watchin' the war unfold

Paul Campbell: Can I just say that it is no surprise that this thing has happened

Paul Campbell: Soory kaare it's my nature

Scott: that what has happened?

Kaare:so this measn he was somewhat confrontational?

Bill Neall: Paul ..it's an indication of the condition of the world today

db: of course not, we all create/attract events acording to our being

Scott: what are you talkin' about?

Bruce: Facilitators or leaders, which ddo you like better, Bill?

Bill Neall: Scott...we're talking about what happened in Holland with Adelbert Nielssen and him getting sued

Scott: I know him...why sued?

Bill Neall: Bruce...both have their place as long as the individual reigns supreme

Scott: He told me that the guy who bought his company...the Lima rep...was a fascist

db: scott.....sued because he counselled someone who later died

Bill Neall: Scott...because someone in Amsterdam didn't like the threat of macrobiotics on the power structure

Scott: the same thing happened to Richard France....and they got back into Michio's pockets to the tune of 450,000

Bill Neall: Was that in Colorado or something else

Scott: that is because the people in charge of Euro macro are FASCISTS

Scott: right

Bill Neall: Who is in charge of EuroMacro

Kaare:in waht way are they fascists

Paul Campbell: Who do you mean Scott?

Paul Campbell: (I'm not disagreeing mind you)

Scott: They are fascists in the way we at present are witnessing....same thing in the US.....macrobiotics has been perverted into a way that swine think they can be as God and live foreverm, and be better than others,,,thats how

Paul Campbell: ok

Bruce: Bill. how do individuals reign in anarchy?

Scott: I was at Kiental, and watched the Lima rep talking, and Adelbert asked me what I thought of him, because Adelbert thought I was a typical US dummy

Bill Neall: Bruce...a healthy society allows all to be equal

Scott: He then told me, in whispered tones, that the guy was a fascist

Scott: and he was right

Scott: Many of the hierarchy of the German SS were big into "health"

Bruce: Bill, has there ever been a healthy society?

Scott: And all manner of bizarre occult practices

Bill Neall: Bruce...if you mean perfect, not that I know of...

Scott: It would take me to long to explain

Scott: check out this website for more details

db: scott....does that imply that anyone interested in health is a fascist or pending ss officer?

Scott: http://harvest-trust.org

Bruce: Just healthy, Bill, just healthy.

Scott: No, db, it does not.....it takes some education and discernment to form a judgment on the subject

Scott: I am painting with a broad brush because of the medium here

Paul Campbell: I think I will invite a few onto the chats and we can find out if they are fascists, that is what these chats are all about

Scott: excellent

db: good idea

Bill Neall: Yes, then I would say yes...of course I wouldn't know first hand...

Paul Campbell: any names?

Bruce: Kaare, are you still there?

Scott: Check out the bio on the CEO of Lima, Belgium

Kaare:Yep I am still here

Bruce: I'm asking if a healthy society is just theoritical or in practice somewhere.

db: hasta luego, companeros!

Dax: somewhere in time maybe

Paul Campbell: I have to go guys, thanks very much for tonight Kaare, and everyone..

Scott: goodbye, Paul

Dax: ok bye paul

Kaare:Hell, if you want to know who the real fascists are check out the Federal reserve

Bill Neall: Bruce...I think there are some healthy groups of people scattered throughout the world...Hunzas of the near past come to my mind

Kaare:Night paul see you

Scott: you have got that right, Kaare

Bill Neall: thanks Paul

Dax: what is the federeal "reserve"?

Bruce: It seems to me that of a group of similar individual, it might be nice to bring the activities to some form of order.

Scott: the great question is how these people dovetail with , for example, the sheisters of the :Whole Life Times Expo"

Kaare:Yep, the Rotshcilds, Mellons, Carnegies of the world

Scott: Cynical people are trying to use "new Age" teaching to dumb people down and pacify them

Kaare:I agree with you about the Whoel Life Expo - a POC

Bill Neall: Bruce...if you're talking about macrobiotics, it is still evolving...be patient, as you once said to me

Scott: It is a difficult situation to attempt to fathom

Scott: it takes some judgmentt to appreciate the truth

Kaare:We have some websites you might wantto check out - if you wish I can e-mail URLS

Bruce: I'm still here is proof of my patience, Bill.

Bill Neall: Scott...so what do you suggest doing about aside of arming the millions

Kaare:POC =piece of crap

Scott: Bill, I am afraid that the truth is that history has never been about the general public

Bill Neall: Bruce...I suggest to just relax and let it fall...

Bill Neall: Scott...can that be changed however

Bill Neall: Scott...and if so , how?

Scott: Most people it would seem do not care much about anything beyond there own sphere

Bruce: It fall we it does Bill. What is POC, Kaare?

Scott: I totally agree that macrobiotics is a very powerful tool to empower people

Bill Neall: Scott...that's because they are uncomfortable and unresolved to who they are and why they're here

Kaare:that is true - except the world economic forum

Bill Neall: Is that PAC?

Scott: Things (histrorically are unfolding very much like the Roman Empire....we have never figured out another way to organize ourselves

Kaare:poc is short for piece of crap

Bill Neall: POC...answered before thanks

Kaare:The thing is Scott we need to move out of the Roman Emppire model whcih is why I suggested you read Steiner's

Scott: The republic has given way to the empire post WW2, and we have not been able to put that back in the box, and likely will not be able to do so

Kaare:Renewal of The Social Organism

Bill Neall: Scott...do you think there is a possibilityof a different unraveling

Scott: By the way, I got the book....very kind of you Bill....I shall read

Bill Neall: You're welcome...

Bruce: Not the definition, Kaare. What are you calling a POC?

Kaare:Read it then and then we can discuss how to getthis idea implemented in the west

Kaare:the poc is the Whole Life expo

Bill Neall: With the macrobiotic problem...

Kaare:there becasue he gave a counseling to his wife 12 years ago and she died

sheri: That's right Bruce - balance it out!!!

nadine Barner: oh my god!

Kaare:'the plot thickemns

nadine Barner: so macrobiotic is on trial?

Kaare:Meanwhile he had a radio program that was becoming very popular

Dax: that's serious ...

Kathleen: People tend to die, when are we going to figure that out and mellow about it???

Kaare:So he got sued, and the papers had huge headlines - Kill Macrobiotics Kill Kushi Institute

Bruce: Nothing like a little gossip to liven the party, eh Kaare?Bill?

sheri: Wow - is this official related to the family or something?

Dax: sheri i don't intent to degrade women, no hard feelings ?

Bill Neall: Gary...I lost part of it...just went away before I could update it...sorry...I don't know wat to do

Kathleen: ick

Kaare:Right

nadine Barner: Kill macrobiotic?!

sheri: No, no hard feelings Dax... :-)

Kaare:The officia;l was her husband

Kaare:Is her husband

sheri: oh, i see!

sheri: I have the scenario now.

Kaare:So, when I heard this - at teh PMC last week

Bill Neall: Bruce, what gossip are you talking about

Kathleen: Dax if you tried my cooking you would NEVER assume that women cooking was preferable to guys

sheri: LOL Kathleen

Kathleen: time to go

Bill Neall: by Kathleen, thanks for showing up...see you again

nadine Barner: bye K

Paul Campbell: Bye Kathleen

Gary Miller: Do your best Bill, whatever you save will be of benefit.

Paul Campbell: missed again

Dax: hahaha

sheri: LOL Paul.....what can ya say!!!!

Kaare:my first thought was if Adelbeert had been saying that macrobiotics cures cancer - then he deserves it

nadine Barner: going to your pet subject about being no cure?

nadine Barner: there being

Kaare:But, if this is because his radio show was getting too popular and he is making suggestions that people

Kaare:stop eating cheese, eggs, butter, meat etc (and you know what a big dairy holland is:))

Bruce: Bill, did you miss the thread about Holland?

sheri: I've got to run.....nice seeing you all here...see you next week!!!

Paul Campbell: Bye sheri...

Paul Campbell: got it

Kaare:Then this means the powers that be are getting worried there

db: bye

Paul Campbell: I think

Bill Neall: Bruce...no, I don't think so...but I don't think its gossip..I heard it from the same person Kaare did

Dax: bye

sheri: I was waiting for you Paul

sheri: LOL

Paul Campbell: thanks

Bill Neall: bye db, dax

sheri: :-) Byeeee

Paul Campbell: have you gone?

db: i was saying bye to sheri.....sorry

Kaare:Adelbeert is "underground" and came to Becket to ask Michio's advice

Bill Neall: Bruce...and they were just at the KI recently...it was all over the newspapers in Amsterdam, like Kill Macrobiotics, etc...

Bruce: Heard (gossip) or read (news), Bill?

Kaare:This was reported to us who was at the KI when it all came up

Bruce: Sorry, but I missed that bit of info?

Bill Neall: Bruce, heard reported...how would you suggest it be passed on...

nadine Barner: silence in the room?

Kaare:Anway, what this brings up for me is maybe we need to change how we go about teaching and disseminating macrobiotics

Kaare:And I wondered if anyone else had ideas

Bruce: Bill, because of the way I first read it on this chat line, it sounded like gossip (Passed from person to person),

db: i've been coming to similar realizations, both through macro and Reiki

db: i used to think of macro and Reiki in terms of physical (or other) healing......

Paul Campbell: I think that if Edelbert had taught it under any other name or guise , he would have had the same problems

db: now i see the whole thing is nothing but a matter of spiritual awakening

Dax: i think not starting to talk about yin and yang and use more western terms

Bill Neall: Bruce...It was passed from person to person, but what's the difference between that and reading it in the papers...isn't that from person to person as well

Kaare:so amplify Paul

Paul Campbell: I don' t want to say what the rest of

Paul Campbell: the Euro

Bruce: A united front and back might be good for starters, Kaare!

Bill Neall: db...agreed

Bill Neall: Bruce...so how do we unite the front and back as you say

Paul Campbell: teachers said about the situation , but I think htey basically told Edelbert that he had made his bed so lie in it

Bill Neall: Paul...sounds about right

Kaare:Yes it would Bruce but we have to make sure our unity is not unifoirmity

nadine Barner: Got to run...hungry!..see you all next week...bye Kaare

Bill Neall: bye nadine...thanks

db: see ya

Paul Campbell: Bye nadine

Bruce: Bill, apparently you've never found out how information distorts and changes as it goes from person to person.

db: not uniformity, yes!

Kaare:Bye nadine - books will be in the mail in teh next day or so

Kaare:Well Bruce, it sounds like we got the story right

Bill Neall: Bruce...yes, I'm well aware of it...but I also think that there is a bit of truth in everything and that it gives one an idea of what's going on based on one's interpretaionn

Kaare:I agree, if adelbert did say dumb things

Bill Neall: based on one's condition

Paul Campbell: Do you know Edelbert personally , guys

Gary Miller: I gotta go eat lunch.

Bruce: Well, for one thing we have to all come into an agreement on basic terms.

Kaare:But, if he did not then I think this bears a closer look

Bill Neall: No

Gary Miller: Thanks for being the chat guest this week Kaare.

Paul Campbell: bye Gary,

Gary Miller: Bye Paul

db: bye gary

Bill Neall: hey Gary...don't leave me now...just kidding

Gary Miller: Thanks for taking care of the log Bill

Kaare:You are welcome - I am going to try and partcipate every week

Bill Neall: Bruce...have you noticed that process on the forums?

Kaare:No I have never net him

Gary Miller: Thanks Kaare

Gary Miller: Bye

Kaare:Do you personally know Adelbert Paul

Paul Campbell: Only through classes and friends who know him

Bruce: I notice some attempts but since there is no facilitator it's a bit chaotic.

Kaare:whats he like?

Kaare:hi scott

Kaare:oops he left

db: now he's back

db: hi scott

Bill Neall: Yes, this is what we're up against...no facilitator needed out there, doesn't work...

Scott: hi

Dax: hi scott

Bill Neall: welcome scott

Scott: hello dax

Paul Campbell: Sorry kaare I am trying to think of a diplomatic answer

Bruce: Hello, Scott.

Paul Campbell: :-)

Scott: hello all

Bill Neall: Scott...where have you been lately...caughtup in school?

Kaare:Paul, do not be bleeding diplomatic - jeez, we have had enough of that in macrobiotics to last several lifetimes

Scott: outta town....and watchin' the war unfold

Paul Campbell: Can I just say that it is no surprise that this thing has happened

Paul Campbell: Soory kaare it's my nature

Scott: that what has happened?

Kaare:so this measn he was somewhat confrontational?

Bill Neall: Paul ..it's an indication of the condition of the world today

db: of course not, we all create/attract events acording to our being

Scott: what are you talkin' about?

Bruce: Facilitators or leaders, which ddo you like better, Bill?

Bill Neall: Scott...we're talking about what happened in Holland with Adelbert Nielssen and him getting sued

Scott: I know him...why sued?

Bill Neall: Bruce...both have their place as long as the individual reigns supreme

Scott: He told me that the guy who bought his company...the Lima rep...was a fascist

db: scott.....sued because he counselled someone who later died

Bill Neall: Scott...because someone in Amsterdam didn't like the threat of macrobiotics on the power structure

Scott: the same thing happened to Richard France....and they got back into Michio's pockets to the tune of 450,000

Bill Neall: Was that in Colorado or something else

Scott: that is because the people in charge of Euro macro are FASCISTS

Scott: right

Bill Neall: Who is in charge of EuroMacro

Kaare:in waht way are they fascists

Paul Campbell: Who do you mean Scott?

Paul Campbell: (I'm not disagreeing mind you)

Scott: They are fascists in the way we at present are witnessing....same thing in the US.....macrobiotics has been perverted into a way that swine think they can be as God and live foreverm, and be better than others,,,thats how

Paul Campbell: ok

Bruce: Bill. how do individuals reign in anarchy?

Scott: I was at Kiental, and watched the Lima rep talking, and Adelbert asked me what I thought of him, because Adelbert thought I was a typical US dummy

Bill Neall: Bruce...a healthy society allows all to be equal

Scott: He then told me, in whispered tones, that the guy was a fascist

Scott: and he was right

Scott: Many of the hierarchy of the German SS were big into "health"

Bruce: Bill, has there ever been a healthy society?

Scott: And all manner of bizarre occult practices

Bill Neall: Bruce...if you mean perfect, not that I know of...

Scott: It would take me to long to explain

Scott: check out this website for more details

db: scott....does that imply that anyone interested in health is a fascist or pending ss officer?

Scott: http://harvest-trust.org

Bruce: Just healthy, Bill, just healthy.

Scott: No, db, it does not.....it takes some education and discernment to form a judgment on the subject

Scott: I am painting with a broad brush because of the medium here

Paul Campbell: I think I will invite a few onto the chats and we can find out if they are fascists, that is what these chats are all about

Scott: excellent

db: good idea

Bill Neall: Yes, then I would say yes...of course I wouldn't know first hand...

Paul Campbell: any names?

Bruce: Kaare, are you still there?

Scott: Check out the bio on the CEO of Lima, Belgium

Scott: He has a house in Switzerland

Kaare:Yep I am still here

Bruce: I'm asking if a healthy society is just theoritical or in practice somewhere.

db: hasta luego, companeros!

Dax: somewhere in time maybe

Paul Campbell: I have to go guys, thanks very much for tonight Kaare, and everyone..

Scott: goodbye, Paul

Dax: ok bye paul

Kaare:Hell, if you want to know who the real fascists are check out the Federal reserve

Bill Neall: Bruce...I think there are some healthy groups of people scattered throughout the world...Hunzas of the near past come to my mind

Kaare:Night paul see you

Scott: you have got that right, Kaare

Bill Neall: thanks Paul

Dax: what is the federeal "reserve"?

Bruce: It seems to me that of a group of similar individual, it might be nice to bring the activities to some form of order.

Scott: the great question is how these people dovetail with , for example, the sheisters of the :Whole Life Times Expo"

Kaare:Yep, the Rotshcilds, Mellons, Carnegies of the world

Scott: Cynical people are trying to use "new Age" teaching to dumb people down and pacify them

Kaare:I agree with you about the Whoel Life Expo - a POC

Bill Neall: Bruce...if you're talking about macrobiotics, it is still evolving...be patient, as you once said to me

Scott: It is a difficult situation to attempt to fathom

Scott: it takes some judgmentt to appreciate the truth

Kaare:We have some websites you might wantto check out - if you wish I can e-mail URLS

Bruce: I'm still here is proof of my patience, Bill.

Bill Neall: Scott...so what do you suggest doing about aside of arming the millions

Kaare:POC =piece of crap

Scott: Bill, I am afraid that the truth is that history has never been about the general public

Bill Neall: Bruce...I suggest to just relax and let it fall...

Bill Neall: Scott...can that be changed however

Bill Neall: Scott...and if so , how?

Scott: Most people it would seem do not care much about anything beyond there own sphere

Bruce: It fall we it does Bill. What is POC, Kaare?

Scott: I totally agree that macrobiotics is a very powerful tool to empower people

Bill Neall: Scott...that's because they are uncomfortable and unresolved to who they are and why they're here

Kaare:that is true - except the world economic forum

Bill Neall: Is that PAC?

Scott: Things (histrorically are unfolding very much like the Roman Empire....we have never figured out another way to organize ourselves

Kaare:poc is short for piece of crap

Bill Neall: POC...answered before thanks

Kaare:Th